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This is rather complex issue.<br>
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Imagine, I am compiling a database about my neighbors. Doesn't
matter why or for what purpose. It is *my* database. There are even
laws to protect my rights over it.<br>
Now, one of my neighbors says they don't want their "personal
information" such as their name in my database. Or, another piece of
personal information, his telephone number.<br>
<br>
Now imagine, not only me, but few other neighbors compile databases
for their neighbors... <br>
<br>
Get the idea?<br>
<br>
This is what we are trying to define here.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15.05.14 13:14, avri wrote:<br>
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<div>How much permanent information will need to be kept on order
to guarantee a person is 'forgotten'. Will it be just their name
and the result of the request. Will it require other identifying
info to make sure that all of their info from all of their
identities is also forgotten. Will the evidence they provide for
the request need to be retained for some reason or time
interval? So many questions.</div>
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From: Mwendwa Kivuva <kivuva@transworldafrica.com> <br>
Date:05/15/2014 04:48 (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>,"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de>
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Cc: Lorena Jaume-Palasi <lorena@collaboratory.de>,Marie
GEORGES <marie.georges@noos.fr>,Adam Peake <ajp@glocom.ac.jp>,Olivier
MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> <br>
Subject: Re: [governance] Removal <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Wolfgang great question and
observation.
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<div>This is time for innovation. We might need a
"search engine clearing house"<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 May 2014 10:56,
"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Hi,<br>
<br>
I have one question: My understanding of the
ruling is that an individual has to make a
request to a search engine to remove the
data/links to the orginal data to the
operator of a search engine, in this case
Google.<br>
<br>
But what about the other search engines:
Yandex, Bing, Baidu etc. If there are 100
search engines, does she/he has to make 100
requests?<br>
<br>
Wolfgang<br>
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. IDies she/he have t. -----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----<br>
Von: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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im Auftrag von Lorena Jaume-Palasi<br>
Gesendet: Do 15.05.2014 02:50<br>
An: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>;
Marie GEORGES<br>
Cc: Adam Peake; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>
Betreff: Re: [governance] Information of
general interest: arret cour européenne
Luxembourg, Spanish DPA against Google<br>
<br>
the court's opinion is pretty clear: it
states that art. 7 & 8 (privacy and<br>
data protection) are higher ranked than art.
11 (freedom of expression). In<br>
democracies no right is absolute: they all
have to be balanced as peers<br>
-and not within a hierachy. So yes, Oliver
is right and has read it pretty<br>
much in deep (as many other law-experts on
data protection have done:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/"
target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2014/05/13/right-to-be-forgotten-europe-google/</a>
or<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351"
target="_blank">http://europeanlawblog.eu/?p=2351</a>
or<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and"
target="_blank">http://www.cr-online.de/blog/2014/05/14/can-a-search-engine-be-private-by-default/and</a><br>
many more.<br>
This is heavy undemocratic stuff, once we
begin to rank some human rights<br>
higher than others...<br>
Kind regards,<br>
Lorena<br>
<br>
<br>
2014-05-14 23:16 GMT+02:00 Marie GEORGES
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marie.georges@noos.fr">marie.georges@noos.fr</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Yes Adam..quite interesting Viktor
Mayer-Schönberger 's article<br>
><br>
> The judgement is not at all in favor of
censorship at all !!!! Olivier,<br>
> read it in deep, balance of interest is
made between privacy and Interest<br>
> of people to know...<br>
><br>
> In Europe( large meaning) if another
end is looked for it will be at the<br>
> ECtHR...<br>
><br>
> Best regards<br>
> Marie<br>
><br>
> Le 14 mai 2014 à 12:55, Adam Peake a
écrit :<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > On May 14, 2014, at 4:58 PM,
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> This ruling spells the start
of mass censorship in Europe.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It basically means anyone
could ask Google to take down a link on the<br>
> >> premise that the information
is obsolete. I am sure this is very welcome<br>
> >> to crooks, fraudsters and
other criminals. Well done!<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > writing in the UK Guardian, Viktor
Mayer-Schönberger suggests otherwise<br>
> -- this is not the end<br>
> ><br>
> > <<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten"
target="_blank">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/13/omission-of-search-results-no-right-to-be-forgotten</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Adam<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> Olivier<br>
> >><br>
> >> On 13/05/2014 13:23, Marie
GEORGES wrote:<br>
> >>> Bonjour,<br>
> >>> Hi<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Cet arrêt est très
important,<br>
> >>> This judgement is very
important<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Et en première page du
New York Times<br>
> >>> And In first page of
the New York Times<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp"
target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/14/technology/google-should-erase-web-links-to-some-personal-data-europes-highest-court-says.html?hp</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Texte complet de l'arrêt ,
ci attaché, en français et en anglais<br>
> >>> Full judgement here
attached in french and in english<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Il reconnait Google search
comme un responsable de traitement au sens<br>
> de la directive de 1995 sur la
protection des données personnelles qui donc<br>
> est applicable<br>
> >>> It recognizes Google
(search) as controller in the meaning of<br>
> Directive of 95 on data protection,that
is therefore completely applicable<br>
> to the search engine<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Google doit retirer les
informations sur une personne qui lui porte<br>
> préjudice ( y inclus sur base de la
liberté d'information/vie privée) lors<br>
> de la réponse à qu'une requête sur le
nom de cette personne alors que<br>
> l'information sur le site d'origine est
légale<br>
> >>> Google have to take of
the referenced documents related to a<br>
> person when that information, lawful
on the original web site, appears in<br>
> the answers to a query on her/his
name, where such information causes<br>
> undue private life on the basis of the
balance of interest criteria<br>
> (including related to freedom of
information versus privacy....)<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Ce résumé est trop
succinct...donc arrêt à lire entièrement..<br>
> >>> This resumé is too
short, so text to be fully taken in<br>
> consideration<br>
> >>> Bravo aux collègues
espagnols<br>
> >>> Great our spanish
colleagues<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Bonne journée,<br>
> >>> Have a nice day,<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Marie GEORGES<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>
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