<div dir="ltr">+1 +congratulations Jeanette Hofmann and all other civil society, academia & technical community representatives you made multistakeholder a fact. Sure, there is room for improvement (the multistakeholder model is still a baby) but with your work it is definitely here to stay. Thanks to you and also to all predecesors who seeded the path!<br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-04-29 21:05 GMT+02:00 Mishi Choudhary <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mishi@softwarefreedom.org" target="_blank">mishi@softwarefreedom.org</a>></span>:<br>
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I completely agree with Jeanette's suggestions. We had great ideas but<br>
lacked coordination and did not suggest concrete wording.<br>
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We should divide responsibility amongst each other for specific topics<br>
and have a team working on alternative language. The team should have<br>
already done in-depth work on understanding the stance of other<br>
stakeholders at other fora including the UN on that particular topic.<br>
The CS chairs need to be assisted the way business reps were assisting<br>
their person. There needs to be real time coordination between the reps<br>
, the team working on a specific issue and lawyers' who can advise on<br>
alternative proposals along with other contributors.<br>
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On 04/26/2014 04:28 PM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
> Thanks for that Jeanette, that fills in a lot of detail. And having<br>
> observed you working during the final drafting compilation session (or<br>
> at least we thought it was) I know you would not have given in on some<br>
> of these points easily. There will probably be a few other things<br>
> about the HLMC and its composition (50% government) we could look at<br>
> in refining the model.<br>
><br>
> You mentioned two things which I quote below as good lessons for us to<br>
> learn<br>
><br>
> 1. (Jeanette's words) In other parts, civil society could have done<br>
> better by simply<br>
> submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by<br>
> several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions<br>
> were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific<br>
> paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording!<br>
><br>
> IP - I agree completely. (even if some of the specific words we did<br>
> come up with made it through the multistakeholder drafting process but<br>
> got killed at the HLMC)<br>
><br>
> 2. (Jeanette's words)<br>
> Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be<br>
> more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become<br>
> more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting<br>
> comes up.<br>
><br>
> IP - I agree again.<br>
><br>
> 3. My first suggestion. It would be helpful in a two day meeting<br>
> structure if we could start discussing the text before 5.30pm on Day<br>
> One. The time lost through endless speeches and plenaries and running<br>
> overtime on first day was not helpful.<br>
><br>
> 4. My second suggestion. The time allowed for drafting was<br>
> insufficient. As in most writing situations, a second draft for<br>
> comment is useful. And the opportunity to comment on a final draft<br>
> before publication and final endorsement would also be useful. That<br>
> might take more time and such a process might actually need another<br>
> day. But it would lead to better outcomes.<br>
><br>
> Anyway - we did really well in many ways, but yes we can learn from<br>
> this experience.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Ian<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jeanette Hofmann<br>
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 1:01 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> ; best Bits<br>
> Subject: Re: [governance] netmundial 0.1<br>
><br>
> From my perspective, it is not correct to say that the process was not<br>
> open. There were many people in the room when we modified the text after<br>
> the first and the second set of track sessions.<br>
><br>
> During the second drafting session on the afternoon of the 24th there<br>
> were conversations taking place as to whether or not the HLMC would<br>
> insist on a final round of looking at the draft statement before it<br>
> would be announced. I don't know where this conversation took place and<br>
> who exactly talked to whom but the result was that the governments<br>
> engaged in the HLMC wanted to see the document beforehand. In a way this<br>
> was only fair since they were tasked with "setting the tone" of the text.<br>
><br>
> That last session before we presented the statement was semi-public.<br>
> Many people were in the room and listened in to the discussion among<br>
> people around the table. The people around the table were members of<br>
> HLMC but also session chairs such as Anriette and me and the board.<br>
><br>
> What happened there is that some governments expressed vetos to specific<br>
> wording of the draft doc. One country expressed reservations to the<br>
> entire document. The ICANN CEO wanted one sentence to be changed and<br>
> one word removed. At that point, it seemed at least to me that the<br>
> process was about to collapse. The only chance to prevent the whole<br>
> process from failing was to remove or tone down certain paragraphs.<br>
><br>
> What I got to understand during the text editing process is that many if<br>
> not all governments would not be able to go beyond text and positions<br>
> that are part of agreed language as expressed in UN resolutions etc. The<br>
> gov reps simply don't have the mandate or authority to go beyond agreed<br>
> language in areas that matter to them.<br>
><br>
> Frankly, I don't find this surprising. Multistakeholder implies taking<br>
> into account the constraints of the other stakeholders. Within the<br>
> process of collectively drafting a statement, such limits obviously<br>
> become very visible.<br>
><br>
> So, the best we could do during the editing process is phrasing our<br>
> positions in ways that would resonate with established multilateral<br>
> language. In some areas, this worked quite well. The obvious example is<br>
> the UN resolution on privacy in the digital age. Here we could clearly<br>
> go beyond that what the private sector wanted to see in the document.<br>
><br>
> Some of the last minute changes could have been prevented if we had<br>
> better understood the limits of what government reps in this process can<br>
> do.<br>
><br>
> In other parts, civil society could have done better by simply<br>
> submitting concrete wording and back that up with several statements by<br>
> several organizations. So many interventions during the track sessions<br>
> were made for the transcript only since they did not refer to specific<br>
> paragraphs or did not suggest concrete wording!<br>
><br>
> Instead of lamenting about the specific outcome, I think we should be<br>
> more pragmatic and have a discussion about how to do better and become<br>
> more effective when the next opportunity of multistakeholder drafting<br>
> comes up.<br>
><br>
> Jeanette<br>
><br>
> Am 26.04.14 19:30, schrieb Adam Peake:<br>
>> The last meeting of the HLMC was open to observers. But it was a<br>
>> shame we didn't think to put cameras and mics in the room for the<br>
>> drafting sessions so they could have been webcast. Just that it<br>
>> wasn't thought of at the time.<br>
>><br>
>> Adam<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Unfortunately that process was not open, and perhaps for good<br>
>>> reason. They also realize they made an error in the last minute<br>
>>> rush, and put the wrong older text in for one clause. Business is<br>
>>> actually arguing to put a better one for us back in. Will let the<br>
>>> list know if it happens.<br>
>>> Despite the hairiness of this process, I think folks should remember<br>
>>> that there was a remarkable production of good will achieved by all<br>
>>> the open drafting sessions….this is really an unusual way to do<br>
>>> business. Rome wasn’t built in a day…<br>
>>> Stephanie Perrin<br>
>>> Cheers stephanie<br>
>>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Izumi AIZU <<a href="mailto:aizu@anr.org">aizu@anr.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> First, Thanks to ALL who made this impossible possible.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I was wondering during the last hours of confusion about the<br>
>>>> last-minute change, as well as sort of HLMC overriding the<br>
>>>> preceding process.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> My question 1 was, was this finalizing the Outcome document open to<br>
>>>> observers?<br>
>>>> (I still don't know and appreciate if someone teach me).<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I was wondering, and also now like to propose in the future similar<br>
>>>> event, to use the<br>
>>>> online tool, I mean online Notepad.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In addition to the real-time scribes, and using projectors to put<br>
>>>> the text on the screen,<br>
>>>> it will be very effective to use the online notepad (such as Google<br>
>>>> Doc or something similar), over the Internet, as we draft. Everyone<br>
>>>> online can see the process of changing<br>
>>>> the words or sentences, they can keep track of all the changes.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> It will be useful for all the remote participants, or those in<br>
>>>> different rooms of the same<br>
>>>> venue while small number of drafting committee people do the work,<br>
>>>> that make it transparent.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Just a suggestion.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> izumi<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2014-04-26 2:30 GMT+09:00 Ian Peter <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>>:<br>
>>>> and I should have added – thanks too to the BestBits people for a<br>
>>>> really constructive pre conference get together. Without that we<br>
>>>> could not have worked together so well at the main event.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> From: Ian Peter<br>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 11:17 PM<br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> ; <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a><br>
>>>> Subject: [governance] netmundial 0.1<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The conference is now over, and many of us now go into travel and<br>
>>>> long flights. But before I do, I want to say that during this<br>
>>>> conference, and the meeting beforehand, civil society people really<br>
>>>> worked incredibly well together – far more so than other<br>
>>>> constituencies. It was great to work with a group of such talented<br>
>>>> and knowledgeable people. There was a high volume of exchange and<br>
>>>> consultation between people and speakers on our behalf, with a<br>
>>>> willingness to take on other perspectives from the group, to stand<br>
>>>> down to allow a more relevant speaker to address a subject etc.<br>
>>>> great team work.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As regards the results – this was version 0.1 of this very<br>
>>>> interesting – and i think promising – version of multistakeholder<br>
>>>> consultation. So like all versions 0.1, it was full of bugs and<br>
>>>> there are a few changes that should be made and improvements. I<br>
>>>> might say a thing or two about that after I have cleared my head.<br>
>>>> So I think the process has some lessons for us, and is worth<br>
>>>> repeating.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As regards the outputs – as the civil society statement said, there<br>
>>>> were areas of disappointment. I would say personally that I was<br>
>>>> very angry at last minute changes made to some sections after the<br>
>>>> formal processes of drafting and consolidating text had ended and<br>
>>>> passed through those committees to the final approval stage. This<br>
>>>> was an example of some governmental players being more equal than<br>
>>>> others. As one colleague said, more like imperialism than<br>
>>>> multistakeholderism, from a party who preaches the religion. Oh<br>
>>>> well. In time I might say more about the detail of that.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> But for now – there was much good as well, and it was fantastic to<br>
>>>> be involved in this with such a great group of people. All our<br>
>>>> Brazilian reps, and also our selected reps on various committees,<br>
>>>> did a fantastic job – ad it was privilege to see how well they did.<br>
>>>> They worked long and hard on our behalf and deserve a lot of<br>
>>>> praise. If I start names I will miss someone, but to everyone who<br>
>>>> represented us, I must say job extremely well done.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Now to wind down after three days of intense activities. Great work<br>
>>>> everyone, really worthwhile event.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Ian Peter<br>
>>>><br>
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