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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM,
Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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<div>I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing
out the recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working
party. Perhaps it would be useful to cite it. </div>
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target="_blank" class="link-ico"><span>Opinion 04/2014 on
"Surveillance of electronic communications for intelligence
and national security purposes</span><span class="link-size">(336
kB)</span></a> <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="ws-ico"
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height="13" width="16"></a>" - WP 215</div>
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The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing
adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and
"development of a global instrument providing for enforceable, high
level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon by the
International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration"<br>
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That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous statements
of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact are not
innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public policy decision
making model which will simply make such kinds of agreements
impossible...<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote:</div>
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<div>I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of
that). What I would like to see is sufficient
comments and some suggestions that might provoke a
discussion during the meeting rather than the words
quietly being accepted. I suggested elsewhere
perhaps we could call for an immediate cessation of
all surveillance that did not accord with human
rights provisions and privacy norms. I would just
like to see which governments put up their hand to
oppose an inclusion along those lines.</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 17, 2014 11:59
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits] Surveillance
paragraph of netmundial document</div>
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2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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everyone,</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">To me one
of the weakest sections of the document is
the paragraph dealing with surveillance
issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which reads
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Internet
surveillance – Mass and arbitrary
surveillance undermines trust in the
Internet and trust in the Internet
governance ecosystem. Surveillance of
communications, their interception,
and the collection of personal data,
including mass surveillance,
interception and collection should be
conducted in accordance with states’
obligations under international human
rights law. More dialogue is needed on
this topic at the international level
using forums like IGF and the Human
Rights Council aiming to develop a
common understanding on all the
related aspects”.</font></font></span></div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">This fairly
weak language and action line (more
dialogue) is not surprising given the
governmental input (including US Government)
into the drafting. So far the only comment
on this is from me, where I suggest
reference to the
necessaryandproportionate.org principles. </div>
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You of course know that reference to 'necessary and
proportionate' was there in the original draft and
it got removed... What are the chances then it will
be reinstated at your request?<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">I think it
would be useful if others commented as
individuals. Perhaps what we need is some
better wording (which perhaps governments
would be embarrassed not to include), and
which would strengthen the response here. In
any case, some wording and indication of
level of concern to ensure that this is
discussed on the floor of the meeting rather
than simply passed by as an adequate wording
would be useful!</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Ian Peter</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">The site
for entering responses is <a
title="http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/"
href="http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/"
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