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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 17.04.2014 10:59, schrieb parminder:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM,
Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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<div>I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for pointing
out the recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29 working
party. Perhaps it would be useful to cite it. </div>
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target="_blank" class="link-ico"><span>Opinion 04/2014 on
"Surveillance of electronic communications for
intelligence and national security purposes</span><span
class="link-size">(336 kB)</span></a> <a
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The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement providing
adequate protection against indiscriminate surveillance" and
"development of a global instrument providing for enforceable,
high level privacy and data protection principles as agreed upon
by the International Conference of Data Protection and Privacy
Commissioners in their Madrid Declaration"<br>
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Well not exactly, since the mass surveillance problem is not
addressed in data protection. Laws like FISAA and other laws
regulating secret services are not part of the data protection
corpora. So it is the laws regulating national security, which are
always explicitly excluded in data protection. <br>
Why not introducing on the first place the notion of "legitimate
aim" on surveillance as HRW & EFF are trying to do?
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf">http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf</a>)<br>
And on the second place, why not being bold and trying to encourage
the creation of minimal international standards on cyber-espionage?<br>
Kind regards<br>
Lorena<br>
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That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous
statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact
are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public
policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds of
agreements impossible...<br>
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<div>Stephanie Perrin<br>
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<div>On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote:</div>
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<div>I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of
that). What I would like to see is sufficient
comments and some suggestions that might provoke a
discussion during the meeting rather than the
words quietly being accepted. I suggested
elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate
cessation of all surveillance that did not accord
with human rights provisions and privacy norms. I
would just like to see which governments put up
their hand to oppose an inclusion along those
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 17, 2014
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits]
Surveillance paragraph of netmundial
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2014 04:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">To me one
of the weakest sections of the document is
the paragraph dealing with surveillance
issues (para 35 of the Roadmap) which
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Internet
surveillance – Mass and arbitrary
surveillance undermines trust in the
Internet and trust in the Internet
governance ecosystem. Surveillance
of communications, their
interception, and the collection of
personal data, including mass
surveillance, interception and
collection should be conducted in
accordance with states’ obligations
under international human rights
law. More dialogue is needed on this
topic at the international level
using forums like IGF and the Human
Rights Council aiming to develop a
common understanding on all the
related aspects”.</font></font></span></div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">This
fairly weak language and action line (more
dialogue) is not surprising given the
governmental input (including US
Government) into the drafting. So far the
only comment on this is from me, where I
suggest reference to the
necessaryandproportionate.org principles.
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You of course know that reference to 'necessary
and proportionate' was there in the original draft
and it got removed... What are the chances then it
will be reinstated at your request?<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">I think
it would be useful if others commented as
individuals. Perhaps what we need is some
better wording (which perhaps governments
would be embarrassed not to include), and
which would strengthen the response here.
In any case, some wording and indication
of level of concern to ensure that this is
discussed on the floor of the meeting
rather than simply passed by as an
adequate wording would be useful!</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Ian Peter</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">The site
for entering responses is <a
title="http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/"
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