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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 17 April 2014 02:52 PM,
Lorena Jaume-Palasí wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 17.04.2014 10:59, schrieb
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 17 April 2014 08:24 AM,
Stephanie Perrin wrote:<br>
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<div>I am indebted to my colleague Carlton Samuels for
pointing out the recent (April 10) opinion of the article 29
working party. Perhaps it would be useful to cite it. </div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ec.europa.eu/justice/data-protection/article-29/documentation/opinion-recommendation/files/2014/wp215_en.pdf"
target="_blank" class="link-ico"><span>Opinion 04/2014 on
"Surveillance of electronic communications for
intelligence and national security purposes</span><span
class="link-size">(336 kB)</span></a> <a
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height="13" width="16"></a>" - WP 215</div>
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The EU Working party seeks: " An international agreement
providing adequate protection against indiscriminate
surveillance" and "development of a global instrument providing
for enforceable, high level privacy and data protection
principles as agreed upon by the International Conference of
Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners in their Madrid
Declaration"<br>
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Well not exactly, since the mass surveillance problem is not
addressed in data protection. Laws like FISAA and other laws
regulating secret services are not part of the data protection
corpora. So it is the laws regulating national security, which are
always explicitly excluded in data protection. <br>
Why not introducing on the first place the notion of "legitimate
aim" on surveillance as HRW & EFF are trying to do?
(<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf">http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/related_material/HRW%20submission%20on%20privacy%20US%20CCPR%20review%20final.pdf</a>)<br>
And on the second place, why not being bold and trying to
encourage the creation of minimal international standards on
cyber-espionage?<br>
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Yes, Lorena<br>
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You are only further stressing the point I am making - which was
basically not to agree to and stop at what the EU working party is
doing but direct our efforts towards real serious work of developing
international principles and standards, and enforceable agreements,
and not the trite stuff, that the Brazil meeting, after so much
promise that President Rousseff generated, seems to be now headed
towards..<br>
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parminder <br>
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Kind regards<br>
Lorena<br>
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That is what we should be talking about, not the vacuous
statements of the public NetMundial outcome draft, which in fact
are not innocent because they seek a multistakeholder public
policy decision making model which will simply make such kinds
of agreements impossible...<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>On 2014-04-16, at 10:25 PM, Ian Peter wrote:</div>
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<div>I don’t know Parminder (and I wasnt aware of
that). What I would like to see is sufficient
comments and some suggestions that might provoke
a discussion during the meeting rather than the
words quietly being accepted. I suggested
elsewhere perhaps we could call for an immediate
cessation of all surveillance that did not
accord with human rights provisions and privacy
norms. I would just like to see which
governments put up their hand to oppose an
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [bestbits]
Surveillance paragraph of netmundial
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everyone,</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">To me
one of the weakest sections of the
document is the paragraph dealing with
surveillance issues (para 35 of the
Roadmap) which reads “<span
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surveillance – Mass and arbitrary
surveillance undermines trust in
the Internet and trust in the
Internet governance ecosystem.
Surveillance of communications,
their interception, and the
collection of personal data,
including mass surveillance,
interception and collection should
be conducted in accordance with
states’ obligations under
international human rights law.
More dialogue is needed on this
topic at the international level
using forums like IGF and the
Human Rights Council aiming to
develop a common understanding on
all the related aspects”.</font></font></span></div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">This
fairly weak language and action line
(more dialogue) is not surprising given
the governmental input (including US
Government) into the drafting. So far
the only comment on this is from me,
where I suggest reference to the
necessaryandproportionate.org
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You of course know that reference to 'necessary
and proportionate' was there in the original
draft and it got removed... What are the chances
then it will be reinstated at your request?<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">I think
it would be useful if others commented
as individuals. Perhaps what we need is
some better wording (which perhaps
governments would be embarrassed not to
include), and which would strengthen the
response here. In any case, some wording
and indication of level of concern to
ensure that this is discussed on the
floor of the meeting rather than simply
passed by as an adequate wording would
be useful!</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">Ian
Peter</div>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">The
site for entering responses is <a
title="http://document.netmundial.br/2-roadmap-for-the-future-evolution-of-the-internet-governance/"
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