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<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">I got that, Karl --and sorry for your ipad pain :)</div></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">My question is this: Is this answer of yours also an answer (if only indirectly) to the question of DNS as public good. Well, assuming one can formulate a definition of public good without positively relying on the concept of property as culturally overloaded as it is -- but then again if the implication of your repeated answer is that such formulation of a definition of 'public good' is impossible, then yes your repeated answer is the only thing I can get.</div>
<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">Is the unbundling of rights and duties (on specific pieces/instances of the DNS) the only way you see fit for the question of the DNS (as a whole) as possible public good, too? </div>
<div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">mawaki</div></span></span></span></div></span></div></div>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Karl Auerbach <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com" target="_blank">karl@cavebear.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto"><div>I'm doing this on an ipad so please excuse it being terse...</div><div><br></div><div>I am not suggesting that we avoid notions such as control or alienabiliy or the right to exclude others.. Rather I am simply suggesting that we stay away from culturally loaded words such as"property". I would prefer that we use the concept of the rights and duties that arise rather than bundling all that under the ambiguous word "property".</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div> --karl--</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On Apr 1, 2014, at 12:46 PM, Mawaki Chango <<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Hi Jeanette, Karl:<div><br></div><div>So you've made the case for avoiding the concept of "property," indeed for its inadequacy, wrt the DNS. What about the other side of the coin? Can the DNS be considered a public good? That is, the DNS as lnternet logical infrastructure --not his or that gTLD or this or that domain name.</div>
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<br></div></span></span></span></div></div></span></span></span></div></span></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jeanette Hofmann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeanette@wzb.eu" target="_blank">jeanette@wzb.eu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Karl,<br>
<br>
+1<br>
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The term property suggests a totality and uniformity of ownership that in practice often turns out to be wrong. Ownership is always subject to conditions and those may vary across and time and political/juridical cultures. This also means that exclusive rights and obligations are not fixed forever but are negotiable.<br>
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jeanette<br>
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Am 29.03.14 02:26, schrieb Karl Auerbach:<div><div><br>
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On 03/28/2014 06:17 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
1. Is the DNS property or public good?<br>
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The word "property" is very heavily overloaded by cultural and legal<br>
context.<br>
<br>
I find it much better to avoid that word altogether and rather to<br>
consider the collection of rights and obligations that person X has to<br>
thing Y.<br>
<br>
For example, with regard to domain names X could be the registrant and<br>
X's rights include the right to delegate name servers, to sub-delegate,<br>
etc. While the obligations might include paying fees, providing contact<br>
information, etc etc.<br>
<br>
Same for registrars - they have certain rights and obligations with<br>
regard to that same domain name (from the prior paragraph above) such<br>
acting as the intermediary to a registry, etc etc.<br>
<br>
Some people may consider those contractual things. But to me that is<br>
merely a difference in words without real difference in substance.<br>
<br>
I suggest, therefore, that in discussing these sorts of things that we<br>
can avoid a lot of miscommmunication by avoiding the difficult word<br>
"property".<br>
<br>
--karl--<br>
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