<div dir="ltr">My last word in this process and I let you guys wrap up with whatever you wish. Promised! (It just happens that as I was at the hotel yesterdays and still am this early before I hit the road, I'm reading your discussions and try to respond as I can. But I will be starting the actual fieldwork in a couple of hours and will no longer bother you.)<div>
<br></div><div>That sentence is obviously (at least it should be obvious to any attentive reader that it is) a theoretical construction, one that is based (at least in part) on hypotheticals in order to say, as Sala pointed out, what multi-stakeholder(ism) (M/S) is NOT.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Has M/S ever been inter-governmental? Not even a chance! Yet, we also say "We understand the M/S as distinct from the intergovernmental model" etc. I do understand the intergovernmental model exists, even if it anything but M/S. And you're saying On the other hand, beyond referring to and supporting M/S, the NTIA's announcement explicitly lists a number of I* organizations for ICANN to work with while it doesn't mention "civil society" not even once and anything "governmental" is only mentioned to be excluded. So yes, some may say there is a risk to have a governance model led or dominated by such technical standards bodies, etc. BTW, when IETF develops standards (and we understand one has to have some technical expertise and ideas win based on..., well, technical merit, but) is there ever a point where there is a debate about societal implications of those standards? If there ever was, are there other stakeholders involved than the same people who are conversant in technical standards development/specification and who actually developed the said standards? And isn't there a form of governance that comes with the standards thus developed?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, that's the context --although, again, we may admit that that case is just a hypothetical here and doesn't need to be necessarily more than that, as the sentence is theoretical (and a negative.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Thanks, and I bow out --this time for sure.</div><div><br></div><div>Mawaki</div><div>P.S. If you could, please read the version I posted yesterday and see if there's anything that may be useful to carry over in yours, as I wrote it trying to address all the questions raised in this cycle, with more context than anyone else having been the main drafter. I now leave it in your hands, thanks.</div>
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<p style="margin:10pt 0">On 21 March 2014 7:50:45 am McTim
<<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p>
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doesn't restrict us to CS, PS and
governments.</div><div><br></div><div>I have used html formatting,
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Salanieta
T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com" target="_blank">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear
All,<br><br></div><br></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="background-color:yellow"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#0000ff">The
IGC supports the multi-stakeholder policy making model as an </font><font color="#ff0000">all </font><font color="#0000ff">inclusive,
bottom-up, consensus driven model that enhances democracy by its inclusiveness
of all people from around the world who might be affected by its policy
decision processes and outcomes. The need to enhance meaningful engagement
globally is critical for the processes to be authentic and in the global public
interest.</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></span></p></div><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><b>The
multistakeholder governance model should include all sectors of the
Internet ecosystem.</b></span></span><font color="#0000ff"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)"> </span> In the inclusive spirit of an authentic
Multistakeholder
model, we stand ready to work with all stakeholders and make sure effective
consideration is given to the concerns and
views of Internet users, citizens and civil society organizations across the
world.</span><span style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></span></font><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div>
<div><br></div>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what
we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get
there." Jon Postel
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