<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Dear all,</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default">
<font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">The revised draft expresses the opinion and good intentions of the IGC much better. However some finer points:</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">
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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">the Caucus wishes to particularly emphasize the need for maintaining the openness and the global availability of the Internet while continuously improving not only on its security but also on its safety for all users around the globe.</span></blockquote>
<div style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Instead of "security but also on its safety" we could say, "security of Internet at the same time preserving and furthering Civil Liberties for all users around the globe", ( 'safety' already forms part of 'security' , Civil Liberties are of greater concern ! )</font></div>
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<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> across the world, in developed as well as in developing regions.</span></blockquote><div style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">"across the world" already includes 'developed' and 'developing' countries. If developing countries are to be seated equally, why do we insist on separation ? </font></div>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(80,0,80)"> </span></p><blockquote style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(80,0,80)">Indeed IGC supports the multistakeholder policymaking model to the extent that it is meant to be inclusive, bottom-up and consensus driven and, as such, it enhances democracy by seeking further participation from all people potentially impacted by its decision outcomes. It is our constant concern to make sure the term ‘multistakeholder’ is not reduced to mean ‘anti-intergovernmental’ or ‘private sector led’ but is rather positively open to embrace and actualize a ‘pro-all-peoples-of-the-world’ meaning.</span></blockquote>
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<font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">The Internet Governance Caucus supports the multi-stakeholder policy making model as an inclusive, bottom-up, consensus driven model that enhances democracy by its inclusiveness of all people from around the world potentially impacted by its policy decision outcomes. With faith we express hope in the multi-stakeholder process, which could be defined and acknowledged as model different and clearly distinct from the "inter-governmental" or "private sector led" models, but rather as a more complete model, an inclusive model that positively embraces and actualizes participation by all stakeholders from around the world for the benefit of all the people of the world </font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">( This change is suggested because the sentence "to make sure the term ...." could be misread to imply an accusation that term multi-stakeholder is already or is being reduced to mean 'anti-intergovernmental' or 'private sector led'. I felt that IGC could welcome the current development with more positive wording. This is an initial statement as a positive note, it is intended to be a broad statement, so even a reference to any of IGC's concerns could be broad and positive )</font></p>
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</span></p><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:'Times New Roman',serif;color:rgb(80,0,80)">Finally, IGC is concerned that beyond phasing out NTIA’s current role, there remains the question of the jurisdiction to be applicable to the structure that will emerge from this transition. For such structure to be truly global, the Caucus feels it is important that it not be subject to one national jurisdiction but rather to an internationally recognized legal mechanism. It is in this context that appropriate accountability instruments should be carefully designed for the new governance institution.</span></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">(Ideas expressed in the above sentence could be conveyed more gently, indicating a willingness to be patient) : The Internet Governance Caucus expresses hope that the IANA function would be managed as a truly global function, </font><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif">gradually</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> with an internationally neutral judicial framework and that the new governance institution would constantly evolve suitable and appropriate accountability and transparency mechanisms.</span></div>
<div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Sivasubramanian M </font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Guru गुरु <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net" target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>well said, Mawaki<br>
regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Guru</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 03/17/2014 03:23 AM, Mawaki Chango wrote:<br>
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Dear Sivasubramanian,</div>
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<div>Then my response still remains. Suffices to
say there is an ideal of democracy and there
are democracies (actual instantiations of the
former) that do not live up to the ideal --
and I mentioned the most recent case of Egypt
but there are plenty of others. And if that
can happen to something called democracy and
formally designed as such, you bet that can
happen to a multistakeholder governance
structure. After all, what does
"multi-stake-holder" mean per se to make you
think it will necessarily and always function
as a better democracy? Is there anything in
the word that suggests so? No. Can
stakeholders turn out to form a smoke screen
diverting from the interests of the larger
public or the people? You bet they can.</div>
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<div>Mawaki</div>
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<div>p.s. I'd agree with McTim to un-cc BB from
now on, maybe... </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:04 PM,
Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:56 AM,
Mawaki Chango <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com" target="_blank">kichango@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:37 PM,
Sivasubramanian M <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Hello</div>
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supports the multistakeholder
policymaking model to the
extent that it does not
contradict the ideals of
democracy, including due
consideration to the rights of
minorities (in the context of
Internet policy)</span></blockquote>
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sans-serif">"to the extent
that Mutli-stakeholder model
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contradict the ideals of
democracy"?
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Multi-stakeholder model is
expanded democracy, the next
step in the further evolution
of democracy. Is there room
for this model to contradict
the ideals of democracy???</font></span></div>
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<div>Sorry, you completely misread this...
Or you are objecting to yourself since
you're the one who took the 'NOT' out of
that sentence by re-typing it instead of
just reading the original one correctly.
It reads: "does NOT contradict..."</div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">No,
It was just an omission while retyping. I did
notice "does not". The rest of what I wrote
stands unchanged. The point I was making is that
the premise underlying the condition was not
valid. So I asked "<span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Multi-stakeholder
model is expanded democracy, the next step in
the further evolution of democracy. Is there
room for this model to contradict the ideals
of democracy???"</span></div>
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<div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thank
you</span></div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">"consideration
of rights of minorities" - If
this is a Global process, open
for participation from all
stake-holders, from every
nation, the policies that would
emerge out of the process is
bound to be balanced. The
intention behind this thought
about the "rights"
of minorities might be noble,
but as unintended consequences,
this idea of special attention
could lead to politicization of
the process. </font></div>
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<div>This has nothing to do with 'special
attention' or with special interests or
with ethnic or cultural minorities (I
put the following in parentheses in
front of the word 'minorities': 'in the
context of Internet policy' precisely to
signal that this is not about cultural
or ethnic minorities.) Suresh's reading
is right; it is about inclusiveness and
consensus building. I was trying to
avoid limiting the reference to
democracy to its most common
instances or simplistic understanding
whereby the winner (majority) takes all,
in favor of the ideals of democracy
whereby the majority still has to take
the views or interests of the minority
into consideration while governing
(think of Egypt and the democratically
elected President Morsi.) More precisely
(and completely unrelated to Egypt in my
mind), I borrow the notion of "rights of
minorities" from Hannah Arendt in her
analysis of totalitarianism. But I hear
you and will try to reconsider the
wording.</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Mawaki</div>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="verdana, sans-serif">In
India the intention to protect
minority interests began with
policies of special attention,
special laws and reservation of
seats for minorities in
education, work and politics and
this move to ensure social
justice has also caused some
imbalance in a certain way; In
the US, the Government's
openness to representation by
Special Interest and Lobby
groups, at least occasionally,
results in a situation where the
amplified voice of the lobby
group wins over the muted voice
or silence of others. Certainly
a global process can not create
a situation where minorities
would be neglected, but this
needs to be achieved in a manner
that does not complicate the
goodness of the process. Instead
of mentioning "minorities" we
could say "all"</font></div>
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M</font></div>
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Sivasubramanian Muthusamy<br>
India <a href="tel:%2B91%2099524%2003099" value="+919952403099" target="_blank">+91 99524
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