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Parminder,</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:rgb(80,0,80)">Thanks for the opportunity to clarify.</div>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">


  
    
  
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    <font face="Verdana">Mawaki<br>
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      Thanks for this effort. <br>
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      As often and variously discussed on this list, terms like
      'equitable multistakholder policy development model' are very
      problematic unless we have some basic definition of what is meant
      here, and  it clearly excludes decision making on public policy
      issues... </font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not sure why you think decision making on public policy issues should be excluded from mutistakeholder model or mechanisms, whatever their formal or theoretical definition (but based on our common understanding or the meaning we commonly ascribed to that term when we use it in this Ig context.) Do you mean that policymaking is the exclusive role of the government or intergovernmental bodies? If so, do you think this may have been so in some period in the history of human societies but that may evolve? And if so, would you accept the idea that such evolution may not necessarily be clean cut but from start but fuzzy and laborious and experimental at the beginning, and that it may be experimented in just one or a few sectors before extending to other domains of governance?  </div>

<div><br></div><div>I may agree that at this point in history, governments ratify public policies, they have the final say, the ultimate authority to really enforce them to the extent that those policies are really public. But why public policies cannot be developed by all stakeholders (if that's your position)? And developing policies isn't that part of policymaking?</div>

<div><br></div><div>If you do mean to suggest that policymaking is the exclusive role of the government or intergovernmental bodies in this area of Ig, I'm afraid to say that from my understanding of past discussions on this list, that is unlikely to represent a consensus view. Then shall we go back there again?</div>

<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><font face="Verdana">This particular language should therefore be struck out.<br>


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      Also, our communication , immediately after welcoming the decision
      and complimenting US gov for it, </font><font face="Verdana">should</font><font face="Verdana"> upfront say that we are eager to know more details
      - especially about (1) whether it means that ICANN would no longer
      be under any contractual obligations with the US gov, and be in
      independent control of the root zone server, and (2) what happens
      to the issue of jurisdiction of incorporation of ICANN and it
      being subject to US laws and such and (3) whether any conditions
      would be imposed in 'freeing ICANN' and if so, of what nature....
</font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, it is my understanding that USG has not by this decision opened negotiations with IGC and other Internet stakeholders. They were in a position and just announced they are willing to relinquish. As could be expected they want to have a say in or an eye on what will follow (no transition to intergovernmental arrangement plus the fours principles as guidelines.) For the rest they say ICANN has to develop a transition proposal which should include the details of what will follow. So I think apart from the 4 principles and the one litmus test they spelled out in the announcement, all your questions above can only be answered in the transition proposal to be developed with our participation and that of all other stakeholders.  </div>

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<font face="Verdana">      And that we look forward to complete and real globalisation of
      ICANN, in a manner that takes care of these issues..<br>
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      Also, a minor point, about one but last para, governance
      institutions do not have customers, only constituencies and the
      such... <br>
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      Thanks, parminder <br>
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    <div>On Sunday 16 March 2014 02:40 AM,
      Mawaki Chango wrote:<br>
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                                  find a draft of the above subject for
                                  your consideration and possible
                                  revisions. This is just a first crack
                                  attempted considering the speed of the
                                  events. I'm cc'ing BB as a peer
                                  organization with same concerns.</div>
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                                  would appreciate your inputs by Monday
                                  noon, UTC.</div>
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                                  Draft Press Release</div>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On March 14, U.S.
                                    Commerce Department’s National
                                    Telecommunications and Information
                                    Administration (NTIA) announced its
                                    intent
                                    to relinquish the oversight role it
                                    has played so far with the Internet
                                    Corporation for Assigned Names and
                                    Numbers (ICANN) regarding key
                                    Internet
                                    domain name functions.  As the
                                    announcement points out, this marks
                                    the final phase of the transition
                                    intended from
                                    the inception of ICANN toward the
                                    privatization of the domain name
                                    system (DNS)
                                    and its stewardship. </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">The Internet
                                    Governance Caucus (IGC) welcomes
                                    this decision and
                                    appreciates the opportunity to
                                    further evolve toward an equitable
                                    multistakeholder policymaking model
                                    for the governance of the Internet.
                                    In that
                                    regard, IGC pays a particular
                                    attention to the reiteration by NTIA
                                    of the
                                    necessity to involve all
                                    stakeholders in the process as well
                                    as in the desired outcome
                                    for fully completing the above
                                    transition. [If deemed relevant by
                                    members and subject
                                    to what the following actually
                                    entails: “Meet the needs and
                                    expectation of the
                                    global customers and partners of the
                                    IANA services”] We also support the
                                    four
                                    principles put forward by NTIA to
                                    guide ICANN and the global Internet
                                    community
                                    in the formulation of a proposal to
                                    finalize this transition.</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">While
                                    acknowledging the primary role of
                                    Internet
                                    organizations and technical
                                    standard-setting bodies, IGC wishes
                                    to call attention to the
                                    utmost importance of giving due
                                    consideration to the concerns and
                                    views of non-technical
                                    and non-commercial stakeholders in
                                    Internet policies. Indeed IGC
                                    supports the multistakeholder
                                    policymaking model to the extent
                                    that it does not contradict the
                                    ideals of democracy,
                                    including due consideration to the
                                    rights of minorities (in the context
                                    of Internet
                                    policy). It will be a constant
                                    challenge
                                    to make sure the term
                                    ‘multistakeholder’ is not reduced to
                                    mean
                                    ‘anti-all-governments-of-the-world’
                                    but is rather open to embrace a
                                    ‘pro-all-peoples-of-the-world’
                                    meaning. </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Furthermore, a
                                    great deal of care should be given
                                    to
                                    designing the appropriate
                                    accountability mechanisms that fits
                                    a truly global governance
                                    institution – with a constituency
                                    and a customer base that actually is
                                    global.
                                    Related to that and more broadly,
                                    adequate responses must be found to
                                    the
                                    concern that while achieving
                                    effective accountability such
                                    institution (to
                                    emerge from this transition) should
                                    not be subject to any one national
                                    jurisdiction at the exclusion of
                                    others. It must be equally available
                                    and
                                    accessible to all Internet
                                    stakeholders. </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                  </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Since ICANN is
                                    one of the co-conveners of the
                                    upcoming
                                    NETMundial, the Global Meeting on
                                    the Future of Internet Governance<span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> (</span><a href="http://www.netmundial.br" target="_blank">www.netmundial.br</a>)
                                    to be held
                                    in Brazil this April, we advise that
                                    it includes in its consultation
                                    process for the transition proposal
                                    the propositions made in
                                    submissions, proceedings and
                                    outcomes
                                    of that meeting as regards the
                                    phasing out of the current role
                                    played by NTIA
                                    in the coordination of the
                                    Internet’s domain name system. </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">The Internet
                                    Governance Caucus</p>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">March xx, 2014.</p>
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