<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Guru गुरु <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Guru@itforchange.net" target="_blank">Guru@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Grande CA,<br>
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With due respect, the argument that 'you need not use Google
search' is quite impractical/rhetorical. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>no, it is not. I've used duckduckgo/yahoo and bing all day today to prove the point that it can be done. </div>
<div> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>Search is essential to
meaning making and in today's digital society, let us not delude
ourselves that we can do without Google search. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>sure we can. Why don't you try it and see for yourself!</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>Google search is a
monopoly (conventional meaning - dominant market share) for very
good reasons, of which its algorithms perceived superiority is an
important one, but also its HUGE economic power invested in
numerous data centres that help crawl/store and crunch the indexed
information fast enough to make the engine formidable. <br>
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You find my argument difficult to accept, because you have
perhaps already imagined that the only way search can work is in
its current form -where it is offered in a secretive manner by a
for profit entity - where you_can_not_be_sure that the commercial
interests of the search engine would affect your actual agency in
searching. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>There are many other ways search can work. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>Sorry, did I said you cannot be sure, I should have
said - YOU_CAN_BE_SURE that google's commercial interests would
make it fiddle with the search algorithms in ways that would
maximise its profit (Read Eli Pariser on how Google search engine
is manipulating search for maximising its profits ...and in this
process could be giving the world a global lobotomy, article
attached! So whose to care? so long as we all click on the EULAs,
all is well?)<br>
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Whether these manipulations by Google, would be within current
legal limits or could cross these limits is what for instance
Indian CCI is investigating. We have NO_IDEA.<br>
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<u>Another world is possible</u><br>
We could imagine search otherwise as well ... as a huge public
digital library, where neither information nor its search need to
be proprietary. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>The beauty of the Internet is that you don't need permission to go ahead and build this yourself. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div>In my view, I CANNOT see any other way to prevent
manipulation of algorithms by the vendor for maximising their
profits.Whether this manipulation is legal or not can only be
detected by knowing the algorithm <span><span>
:-) </span></span>, <br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Even a non-profit would manipulate their algorithm according to someone who didn't rank highly in their search. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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The "JustNetCoalition's" principles and roadmap can be something
we can take forward for building a just and equitable net. See
principle 8 of the JNC principles on this issue (also attached)
and share your thoughts... <br>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think that if I build a better mousetrap I shouldn't have to make the design public so my competitor can try and beat me with my own design!</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>Cheers,<br><br>McTim<br>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
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