<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>On the practical side and having nothing to do with Brazil, Geneva or Istanbul meetings:</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone from CS is looking to get involved in IETF WGs representing privacy and other human rights concerns, but wants a guide to the workings etc of ietf and its WGs, let me know as I am always happy to help people cross the CS - Tech barrier.</div><div><br></div><div>In addition to the efforts listed below there is also an opportunity to review existing RFCs for privacy and pervasive monitoring vulnerabilities. If you are interested in this kind of activity let me know as we are organizing a project for doing this sort of thing. </div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">avri</div><div style="font-size:75%"><br></div><div style="font-size:75%">Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device</div><br><br><div style="font-size:100%;text-align:left;color:#000000">-------- Original message --------<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 13.333333015441895px; "> </span></blockquote><div>The situation is complex. There is not a unified technical community, and there is not a unified policy community.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's look at three real world projects that going on right now. These are just examples off the top of my head.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>(1) PAWS (<a href="http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/paws/charter/">http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/paws/charter/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>I really hope that the result of this working group is able to make television whitespace available for data all over the world. This cannot be successful unless the spectrum regulatory bodies are engaged in the process. The FCC was the first to engage, and the first versions of the specifications seem to meet their needs, and then OFCOM provided some comments that caused a complete redesign. I hope others engage very soon so that a global solution is possible.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>(2) ECRIT (<a href="http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/charter/">http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/charter/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>I really hope that the result of this working group is able to specify emergency service access on a global scale from every mobile VoIP device. One challenge is that many governments can reference IETF standards in their regulations. This could lead to interoperability problems.</div><div><br></div><div>(3) STIR (<a href="http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/charter/">http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/charter/</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>I really hope that the result of this working group make it more difficult for <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "> robocalling</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">, vishing, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">and swatting all over the world.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">In each of these examples, a different portion of the policy community needs to participate. I believe they have been invited to do so. I do not know if they will.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">Russ</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 16px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br></span></div></body>