<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear Ian, all<br><br></div>I will say +1 in enlarging the current group in place.<br></div>]Jeanette, do you think that a mandate of 1 year for the nomcom will be a good idea?<br><br></div>Best<br>
<br>Nnenna<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Sonigitu Ekpe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:soekpe@gmail.com" target="_blank">soekpe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks All for the beautiful contribution.<div>I buy into the idea of networks. </div><div>Since public interest is of great importance; Can we identify government representative that do have passion on civil societies view? The "Coordinating Nomcom of Networks" will be a good platform to engineering transparency and accountability.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Ian Peter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks everyone for comments. So far we have had some discussion on Nomcom alternatives which has put up some interesting thoughts.<br>
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On other subjects -<br>
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Any thoughts on expansion and criteria - particularly whether or not to have individuals as well as representatives of organisations on co ordination group?<br>
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How about a "network nomcom"?<br>
<br>
Having followed all teh models above, I am tending towards a kind of<br>
improvement of what we have now.<br>
<br>
What do we have now? A cordination of individual representatives of<br>
different networks: IRP, APC, Diplo, BB and IGC.<br>
<br>
Here is my suggestion:<br>
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1. Extend the Coordination group to include other networks/coalitions<br>
with the criteria above. I still prefer "extend" to "expand" :)<br>
2. Have a Non-voting Chair for 1 year, renewable.<br>
3. Each participating coaltion/network will chose from within itself,<br>
a person/persons to represent it in a nomcom<br>
4. Nomcoms will not be static but will be convened when needed<br>
5. We have a nomcom Chair but nomcom members will be chosen by their<br>
networks to form a "nomcom of networks". Networks/coalition may decide<br>
the method that is best suited to them to appoint qualified person/s<br>
for the task at hand.<br>
<br>
What will be the merits of a "NomCom of Networks"?:<br>
1. Its members are sent by their constituent network/coalition<br>
2. Networks/coalitions can chose a NomCom person based on the<br>
person's expertise on the subject for which CS reps are being called<br>
for<br>
3. Networks/coalitions are free to use whatever methods they deem<br>
best to select their network rep on the "Nomcom of Networks"<br>
<br>
In summary, we have a Nomcom of Networks non-voting Chair for 1 year,<br>
and membership of nomcom is Networks/coalitions and not persons. Each<br>
time there is need for CS representation then each network notifies<br>
the Chair or their rep on the NomCom<br>
<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<br>
Nnenna<br>
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On 1/20/14, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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A prequalification for either nomcom duties or being selected to represent<br>
the caucus in some forum could be a history of prior engagement with the<br>
caucus and prior track record in igov. [And to increase the inclusion, this<br>
could mean engagement with multiple caucus members in good standing on other<br>
civil society fora, if not necessarily this specific caucus]<br>
<br>
This prevents the sort of ballot stuffing you have noted, where there are<br>
endorsements for specific individuals from random people or groups that have<br>
no prior engagement with the caucus or track record on igov issues.<br>
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--srs (iPad)<br>
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On 20-Jan-2014, at 12:27, "Ian Peter" <<a href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com" target="_blank">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I’m posting here some thoughts recently discussed among members of the<br>
civil society co ordination group for comments and input. It relates to<br>
some options for this group. It would be good to have comments and input.<br>
<br>
What we are proposing is a period of on line discussion, after which we<br>
will probably conduct some sort of on line straw poll to get a feeling for<br>
how people think about options emerging. So please comment and digest, and<br>
we will look forward to getting wide input.<br>
<br>
<br>
But firstly- is there a need for such a group?<br>
<br>
There certainly was in the context of appointing representatives for<br>
Brazil and 1net, and we would argue that it is highly advisable for<br>
functions such as MAG nominations. Perhaps there are no other great needs<br>
at this stage, but they might arise. And certainly a continuing<br>
communication between groups working in the area of internet governance<br>
might be useful.<br>
<br>
The alternative to all of this re-organisation would be for the group to<br>
go into recess until another urgent need arises. But that choice would<br>
simply reinforce the criticism that exists of this group (or its<br>
successors) when there is a need again - or alternatively lead to<br>
fragmented selection processes that hinder civil society representation.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
1. EXPANSION OF THE CO-ORDINATION GROUP<br>
<br>
This has been the subject of previous discussion with a number of<br>
different parties and it was decided to defer further considerations until<br>
after Brazil nominations were complete. There was also some discussion on<br>
list here immediately before Christmas about some possible criteria for<br>
involvement.<br>
<br>
One possibility we would suggest here is we could decide to enlarge the<br>
group to (say) 9 -12 people. The current voting members could remain and<br>
would be joined by one of the incoming IGC Co-ordinators. For additional<br>
voting members, we suggest that we open it up to expressions of interest –<br>
but not only from organisations, but also from individuals. That allows<br>
involvement of representatives of multistakeholder groups with a strong<br>
relationship with civil society (eg IRP). That might be a good step, and<br>
to this we could add rotation of members.... or leave such questions until<br>
the co ordination group is fully populated.<br>
<br>
That’s the first issue where clarity is needed. But how to select....<br>
<br>
<br>
2. SELECTION PROCEDURES (possibly for expanding the co ordination group,<br>
but also for any future CS representation).<br>
<br>
We present three different options here.<br>
<br>
OPTION ONE - VOTING<br>
<br>
This works well within one organisation, but is more difficult with<br>
multi-organisational elections – who is in for voting, who is out? And<br>
some of us remember the original ICANN at large elections, where suddenly<br>
thousands of people with no previous involvement got involved in support<br>
of one candidate who was elected with a large majority. The context for us<br>
here is that, without a consolidated membership list of all our<br>
organisations, this is very open to capture and manipulation. And setting<br>
up and maintaining a multi-organisation single voting list is a fairly<br>
time consuming administrative task. (and then we need to ask which<br>
organisations mailing lists and/or membership lists would be included)<br>
<br>
So there are a few issues to solve if we take that direction.<br>
<br>
OPTION TWO – RANDOM NOMCOM<br>
<br>
This option has been widely used in IETF and was adopted in the Charter of<br>
IGC. We are not aware of anywhere else it is used but there may be some<br>
other examples.<br>
<br>
While this form is gospel to some people, others have reservations.<br>
<br>
Ian Peter writes, as one critic with some experience of this<br>
<br>
“My personal reservations arise from involvement with perhaps 9 or so<br>
random Nomcoms, with the following results:<br>
<br>
2 included known trolls.<br>
Only one of 9 had all members active – most worked on the basis of only<br>
one or two active members.<br>
One refused to work with the appointed Chair<br>
One had the Chair drop out mid process and ended up with one individual<br>
making decisions<br>
Gender and geographic balance are purely left up to chance.”<br>
<br>
To this we would add issues involved with random selection when<br>
factions/different organisations are involved. It is easy in this case for<br>
important sections of CS to be left out entirely from deliberations<br>
because they weren’t randomly selected.<br>
<br>
So some of us caution against use of this form in the context of a<br>
multi-organisational steering group, arguing that these are important<br>
matters of representation best not left to chance.<br>
<br>
<br>
OPTION THREE – APPOINTED NOMCOM<br>
<br>
This is the most widely used form and is used by technical community,<br>
business community, ICANN, and just about any other organisation we can<br>
think of. It’s the safest way, providing that transparent, accountable and<br>
inclusive processes are used to select the members of the Nomcom. That<br>
would be something the coordination group mentioned above could undertake<br>
when in place.<br>
<br>
<br>
And I am sure there are other variations. But they need to be agreed to<br>
and sorted out.<br>
<br>
CRITERIA<br>
<br>
We also need criteria for selection. Previously we discussed these in<br>
terms of determining suitable organisations who would nominate<br>
representatives. But if we are looking at individuals as well, they will<br>
need to change. But for reference, the previous discussions left these<br>
under consideration<br>
<br>
1. Is it a coalition which is globally representative - all regions<br>
covered?<br>
<br>
2. Is it non-commercial and public interest oriented (as opposed to<br>
business)?<br>
<br>
3. Would it more properly fit under technical community, academic,<br>
business or government in its categorization?<br>
<br>
4. Is a large part of this coalition's members already covered by one of<br>
the existing members?<br>
<br>
<br>
5. The internal governance of the coalition is adequately transparent and<br>
accountable to its members.<br>
<br>
<br>
6. Does the coalition have a substantial current involvement in and<br>
knowledge of internet governance issues<br>
<br>
Obviously if individuals are to be considered these have to change.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Over to everyone for comments.<br>
<br>
<br>
Ian Peter<br>
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