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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 17 January 2014 07:30 PM,
Vladimir Radunovic wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
fully agree that there should be diversity of
perspectives/concerns present in the SC, and that the
current CS representatives do not formally represent all
these. However, only 5 people (CS reps in the SC) - whoever
they would be (me, you or anyone else) - can't possibly
formally represent the full diversity of the CS; we would
need dozens of representatives. What is important is that
they care about diversity of perspectives/concerns and make
sure to bring these into SC discussions at all points. Your
detailed input about the Declaration are much appreciated
and this is a good example of what should be seriously taken
into consideration also, and there are many other relevant
documents and concerns as well (as you rightly mentioned
marginalised group, persons with disabilities, and others).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So
let's make sure that the 5 CS reps. pick up the diversity
from 1Net list and other CS discussion fora, and bring this
diversity to the SC table. I will do my best, and I am sure
the others will as well. </span></p>
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<font face="Verdana">Vlada<br>
<br>
You cannot in this manner post facto technical-ize an essentially
political issue... And if indeed everything is so simple why did
not the </font><font face="Verdana">reps</font><font
face="Verdana"> of the 4 groups in the CS CC just not allow the
Community Informatics Network (CIN) rep also be a part of the
selection panel? Do you think that it is a fake group... <br>
<br>
Denying political space and role to different groups, and the
corresponding claims of those so denied, are both highly political
acts... And they are best treated as such... It is not quite right
that those who participate actively in such political acts, and
obtain political roles (quite a legitimate thing to do), then hold
forth on how people should not aspire for such spaces/positions...
No personal offence implied, but lets not side step serious
issues. Some claims may be weightier than others, and that is
fine. Some kind of sorting out would need to be done as part of a
political process. One can discuss that. It is entirely possible
that Diplo Foundation and its alumuni brings better and more
effective (both criteria being important) representation of what
is normally considered civil society interests than the Community
Informatics Network (CIN) does. It is also entirely possible that
NCUC deals with issues more salient to general people (civil
society) than does CIN. All of this is quite possible. But such
should be the bases, or not, for some group being in there and
other not being there. All this is entirely political, as IG is
political. Those who dont think it is political, can as well step
out of the space and let those who consider it is political
represent them...<br>
<br>
The primary purpose of my comment is just to speak out against
technicalizing issues of representation. Can you say with
confidence that you and other members of the concerned committee
or whatever will, say, push the perspectives in the CI's Internet
declaration as you would the position i have heard you articulate.
Or others in these committees will do so vis a vis the positions I
have seen them so strongly advocate, and also strategize so
actively around. Lets be real. We need diversity in the people who
represent and not just the views that they claim they will pick up
and push with equal force.. </font><br>
<br>
Also, is it not interesting that reps of four CS groups who are a
part of the selection process selected 5 persons for the 1Net
committee, all of which belong to the management structures of these
four CS groups.. Indeed, quite a diversity seeking exercise! Could
they not find one person from outside, from the whole universe of
civil society! Is this not a high degree of insularity. And now
these homilies, on being good and nice people...<br>
<br>
<font face="Verdana">Before advice pours in to take such issues off
this list, I must add that civil society </font>is always about a
bit of a chaos.... Les our friends from outside civil society learn
the culture. <br>
<br>
regards , parminder<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
Vlada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">PS.
As I mentioned several times: all these are only my personal
opinions, not on behalf of CS members in SC or anyone else.
I am not a spoke-person, I am just currently the loudest one
:)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
michael gurstein [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">mailto:gurstein@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 January 2014 00:41<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Vladimir Radunovic'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org">discuss@1net.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Selection RE: [discuss] 1Net, Brazil
and other RE: BR meeting site launched<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vlada,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you for your comments and let me reply inline…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Vladimir Radunovic [</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vladar@diplomacy.edu"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:vladar@diplomacy.edu</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'michael gurstein'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">discuss@1net.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Selection RE: [discuss] 1Net, Brazil and
other RE: BR meeting site launched<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
have missed that question with a purpose - there have been
lots of discussions on that, and in this thread I wanted to
raise some other issues for discussion as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
yes, there has been some discussion on the issues that
I’ve raised but so far no one from the 1net Steering
Committee, 1net, the groups self-selecting for the
Steering Committee, or the groups self-nominating for
the self-selecting groups for the Nominating Committee
have provided any rationale or argument in support of
what I think is an unsupportable position…</span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
owe you my views on the issue of SC legitimacy as well,
nevertheless: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While
I am not acquainted with the details of the selection
process, I am aware from discussions that it was not
perfect. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
If you aren’t aware of the selection process, that
suggests that there may not have been one… basically it
was a few mates sitting in a circle and saying who from
our circle shall we get to front this one<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yet
I do find it a solid base for improvements for future
occasions, as for once civil society managed to come up with
something to further work on. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
no, a self-selected group purporting to represent Civil
Society but in fact only representing primarily
themselves came up with something again primarily to
serve themselves<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Selecting
the civil society representatives is a complex issue, I am
aware, as one can't use classic "representational democracy"
model –<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
agree<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">instead,
we need to focus on searching for persons with and
credibility, experience, skills and knowledge that hopefully
have strong support among the CS groups =<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
and who apart from these self-selected groups determined
that this particular group of individuals had the degree
of </span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">integrity
and credibility, experience, skills and knowledge <b><i>and
only they had the required characteristics… certainly
being self-selected from the self-selected CS groups
they had strong support but since the circle was closed
it is hard to accept or know whether they had strong
support from anyone else or whether anyone else could
have been found who had more support or better filled
the criteria<o:p></o:p></i></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> those
persons we believe will fairly represent diversity of views
that exist in CS. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
what possible basis do you have for that belief… I see
no participation from Indigenous Peoples, people with
Disabilities, poor people’s organizations, actual
Internet users (and non-users) as opposed to those
talking about the use of the Internet by others—those
are the people of whom CS overwhelming consists and I
see no basis to believe that the current self-appointed
group in any way “represents” their views among other in
the “diversity that exist in CS”…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
confidence in this selection process came from my confidence
in the nominating committee members and their integrity and
credibility. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
I’m delighted that you have confidence in those who
chose you and in the self-selected group of which your
own organization is an active member… and the other of
those organizations who equally chose their own members
for these positions, but so far you have given no
arguments why anyone else beyond that circle should
share your confidence and in the absence of any
reasonable arguments you have further undermined any
reason for anyone beyond your narrow circle(s) to accept
this<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
they made mistakes as you say, I believe that - and doom me
for that or call me naive - it was not with mal intention
and it is something they and all of us can work on in future
to improve. In all the circumstances I do think that the SC
is legitimate, though admitting the selection process needs
improvements. With all this, I do hope that also you believe
in my personal integrity and credibility to represent you
and diversity of CS views in the SC; if not, I will give my
best to show that you should - and please help me do that by
both criticizing and supporting my takes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[MG>]
Vlada, I don’t know you directly and thus I can have no
opinion on your integrity etc.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But
let me be quite direct…<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
Community Informatics community recently and in the
context of the Brazil meeting published a </span></i></b><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/article/view/1099/1065"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Declaration</span></i></b></a><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.
That Declaration has now been signed on to by dozens of
organizations globally including the Indigenous ICT Task
Force, Telecommunities Canada, the First Mile Institute
(New Mexico), Women be Free (Benin), the global P2P
Foundation, the International Alliance on Information
for All, the Open Technology Institute (USA), the RCM
Participatory Foundation (Italy) and over 100
individuals including the Founding Director of Siyafunda
(South Africa), the head of the Global Community Network
Initiative (Austria), the UNESCO Chair at the University
of Strasbourg, a leading official of the Broadband
Commission, and a very very broad band of grassroots ICT
activists, academics and just plain users from all parts
of the world. <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However,
from a fairly close observation not one of those
currently active in IG CS and certainly none of those
who have been currently nominated for positions
representing either civil society or academia have
chosen to endorse this Declaration.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of
course, you and your colleagues in these positions can
choose to endorse whatever you like but since none of
you have chosen to endorse the Declaration of the
Community Informatics community don’t purport to say
that you are fully representative of civil society of
which the CI community is most definitely a part (unless
you and your colleagues choose a definition where only
those who you folks designate as CS can in fact be CS)
or that you represent the diversity of CS positions.
That is totally and manifestly incorrect.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
Declaration points to issues and norms that we feel need
to be expressed in the context of the Brazil meeting and
from what I have seen I have absolutely no confidence
that unless we are given an opportunity to be
represented at all levels in the planning of the event
that many of those issues will not in fact be presented
for discussion and the voices of those whose lived
reality underlie those issues will have no opportunity
to be heard.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
must say further that I find this to be particularly
outrageous since the Declaration’s concerns for the
distributional effects of the Internet so closely mirror
the actions of President Rousseff and her party in
Brazil having undertaken social and distributional
programs which have moved 10s of millions of her fellow
citizens out of poverty. The concerns of the Community
Informatics community in ensuring that the Internet is
an element in similarly ensuring the widest possible
distribution of economic benefits and similarly in
advocating measures to overcome any inequalities that
might be arising as a result of the differential
distribution of benefits arising from the
transformations that the Internet is bringing about need
to be heard as part of the upcoming meeting. And I have
absolutely no confidence or reason to have confidence
that any of those currently representing “civil society”
will in fact present those concerns among others.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vlada,
I acknowledge and have considerable respect for the
individuals and organizations and for the concerns that
they represent of which apparently you are now the
spokesperson. I wonder what might be the motivation to
not accord my colleagues and I and the concerns that we
are presenting the same degree of acknowledgement and
respect.<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
Vlada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
michael gurstein [</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:gurstein@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 15 January 2014 17:04<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Vladimir Radunovic'; </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">discuss@1net.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [discuss] 1Net, Brazil and other RE:
BR meeting site launched<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vlada,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It
seems to me that you have missed the first and most
significant question which needs to be asked i.e. on what
basis do you derive the legitimacy to undertake any of the
tasks as indicated in your subsequent questions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Contra
Milton, you cannot simply pull this legitimacy and authority
to act out of the air, assume it by some form of divine
right, seize it through the de facto occupancy of some type
of electronic space or other similarly illegitimate
contrivance. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Your
legitimacy has in this instance, to come from the
identification of a constituency who, through a set of
agreed upon procedures have granted you that legitimacy to
act on their behalf so long as your actions are consistent
with those procedures. In this case, you (or rather your
nominators) have misidentified your constituency (as being
representative of all of CS as a stakeholder group), failed
to identify a set of appropriate procedures on the basis of
which your legitimacy could be granted (appropriately
transparent and accountable selection procedures for your
individual nominations) and only function on the basis of an
external body (1net) having accorded you legitimacy even
though they themselves quite evidently lack any form of
legitimacy as per the above …<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">discuss-bounces@1net.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
[</span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vladimir Radunovic<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@1net.org"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">discuss@1net.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [discuss] 1Net, Brazil and other RE: BR
meeting site launched<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
colleagues, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ahead
of the first (and constitutive) meeting of the 1Net Steering
committee in the following days, and thinking about the
substantial questions related to 1Net (many been discussed
already on this list), please share your views on the
following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How
do you see the role and potentials of 1Net? What should be
its task in a wider IG context? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Taking
into account the discussed views that it might have been
started with particular intentions and following particular
interests, but now providing (or hoping) that 1Net would be
able to resist these and gradually establish its legitimacy
in the wider community)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What
should be the role of 1Net towards major IG fora - IGF,
ICANN, ITU, and other?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What
relation should 1Net have with the Brazil meeting? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
Brazilian organisers suggested in a press release (and as
Anja clarified: 1Net has not been consulted on nor has
decided on any of these, so we can only understand this as
suggestions) several roles for 1Net, including the
"partnership" in organising the Brazil event... Should 1Net
be a partner, and if so how should it contribute to Brazil
meeting (and how it should not)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
am sure all the members of the Steering Committee would
appreciate variety of views on these.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank
you!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Vlada</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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