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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think I should be clearer in what I said/meant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Suresh is a troll. Whether or not he is being paid to disrupt this e-list and harass and attempt to delegitimize Civil Society’s most useful contributor, Parminder, I have no idea and will probably never know. That he and his harassment is being enabled by others on this list for purely political reasons—McTim, Avri, others, is to my mind also quite transparent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That this harassment is provoking and meant to be provoking is also quite evident… having someone react to such behavior is not surprising—I would almost certainly react in similar ways in similar circumstances as I guess would most of you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The stuff with Parminder is a passing episode and should be settled as such by whatever means are available and immediately. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The campaign by Suresh as aided and abetted by the others is continuing and has significantly undermined the capacity of the IGC to move forward in these very important times for the Internet. Perhaps this was the intention all along. I don’t know. I think dealing with that requires resources and capacities which sadly, are much beyond the IGC in its current form.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Cake<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Jeremy Malcolm<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Nomination of Parminder<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9 Jan 2014, at 1:13 pm, Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 09/01/14 11:55, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>Even without that, Parminder's explicit endorsement of multilateral proposals including the CIRP, render him unfit to properly represent the needs and interests of civil society. This is enitrely separate from personality clashes, and just as separate from his tendency to engage in political maneuvring rather than collegial engagement with other stakeholders.<o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>Let he who is without sin cast the first stone Suresh... you won't deny that you too have been cautioned over your behaviour towards other IGC members (admittedly on the list, not in person). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>If you think both Suresh and Parminder have behaved inappropriately, then you should be against either of them being selected, surely? If you believe both are in the wrong, so we should ignore it, that sounds like a recipe for a continuing problematic culture that is explicitly tolerant of bad behaviour. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>I mean, given that even Parminder's supporters, such as Michael, are still saying that he behaves inappropriately (just claim that maybe other people are... well, not as bad, but not perfect either), there surely is a serious problem, and deflecting criticism with 'he isn't the only one' is no longer (if it ever was) appropriate. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>I would appreciate an explanation from those, like yourself and Michael, who (explicitly in Michaels case, implicitly in your case) admit that Parminder's behaviour is inappropriate, but want to support him anyway. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>David<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>And to describe the CIRP as multilateral is an oversimplification, though its original formulation did have significant problems (which should be no surprise, it was a first draft).<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Dr Jeremy Malcolm<br>Senior Policy Officer<br>Consumers International | the global campaigning voice for consumers</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'><br>Office for Asia-Pacific and the Middle East<br>Lot 5-1 Wisma WIM, 7 Jalan Abang Haji Openg, TTDI, 60000 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia<br>Tel: +60 3 7726 1599<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>Explore our new Resource Zone - the global consumer movement knowledge hub | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone">http://www.consumersinternational.org/news-and-media/resource-zone</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>@Consumers_Int | <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/">www.consumersinternational.org</a> | <a href="http://www.facebook.com/consumersinternational">www.facebook.com/consumersinternational</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:8.0pt;color:#999999'>Read our <a href="http://www.consumersinternational.org/email-confidentiality" target="_blank">email confidentiality notice</a>. 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