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<font face="Verdana">This canard has been going on for too long
now...</font> It has been mentioned on this list at least 4-5
times since Bali, and each time in a highly unrestrained language,
with quick backups by 3-4 people, most of who were even not at the
meeting... My response has been not to react. It is not easy to do
so, to let public allegations regarding one's behaviour go
un-responded. But one of course knows what is the game of the
instigators - I will respond, and then there can a free for all for
them to say more, and all the while it is 'my behaviour' being
judged and spoken of.. And we all know that this is just one link in
a long chain of witch hunting by these few people who,
unfortunately, want to play their politics by other means. <br>
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But I know that David Conrad's email comes with real concern about
knowing facts, because in all the discussions I have had with him he
has this almost extra ordinary penchant for facts... Therefore I as
well may state the facts. The following are the facts of the
'incident' Suresh/ Tim/ Avri speak of...<br>
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<blockquote>At the meeting, in Bali, there was a comment made by
someone which I thought was highly personal and inappropriate, and
I got up saying that one cannot be told such a thing, and begin to
go out of the room. Now that part is not the issue under
consideration. Neither am I raising it for consideration. Stuff
happens. What is under consideration is my interaction with Avri.
As I walked past Avri who was sitting on the floor, she said, of
course, well-meaning-ly, in order to deter me from walking out -
"this is something 'the person' could have said to anyone"... To
which I turned back towards Avri and said "would you , Avri, have
stayed in the room if this had been said to you". And of course
when one says "would you" one's finger is out and pointed towards
the person -- I know no way from where I come to say that sentence
without holding a finger which goes with the expression "would you
avri"... And my utterance was the highest call to ones reason and
sense of justice - Would you in the same circumstances do
differently! I would consider such to be the highest respect one
can give to another while dealing with a difference of opinion.
(Especially in a situation when I was myself upset and walking
out.) My utterance being posited as the justification of why I had
to walk out. How is this a threat!<br>
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Avri responded by saying "Dont you wag your frecking finger at
me". (i do not know the meaning of this word - frecking -but I
think it may be a kind of a bad word. Doesnt matter. I admit, this
may not precisely be the word she said but a similar sounding
word). And I walked away. (Immediately afterwards I came back to
the room and rejoined the meeting.) This is what happened vis a
vis the incident that has so insistently been propped up . <br>
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At this stage I think I need justice vis a vis the kinds of
campaigns that are nowadays regularly run on this list. There are
more forthright ways to do ones politics than that, in this
decidedly political space. I suggest that 3-4 senior most civil
society persons who were present when this incident took place be
formed into a committee and give a decision on this matter - both
about what actually happened in terms of the contented interaction
between Avri and me, and what has been made of it it since on public
lists and the implications of that for my political work, and
perhaps also my personal standing (about which I care relatively
less). I can think of Ian, Carlos, Deirdre and Michael as the senior
most people who were there at that meeting, and I am happy to accept
the judgement by a committee of them... <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 09 January 2014 07:08 AM,
Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:52CDFD93.6090807@acm.org" type="cite">
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On 08-Jan-14 20:08, David Conrad wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:24 PM, McTim
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">-1
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In the light of what transpired in Bali, I have to agree with
Suresh!
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For those of us who didn't have the fortune to be in Bali, this
is a bit cryptic. Could someone describe or point to "what
transpired"?
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Thanks,
<br>
-drc
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Sure. The short version.
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Parminder was verbally aggressive with several people during the
meeting.
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Some walked out.
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I objected.
<br>
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He was then physically aggressive/threatening towards me
<br>
(no contact, but i felt physically threatened).
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More people walked out, including me.
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The meeting continued, I heard.
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After the meeting, I appealed to the co-coordinators of the IGC to
do something about this.
<br>
<br>
The appeal was never formally responded to, though I did get some
updates on ongoing discussions.
<br>
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In the meantime, while I still lurk on this list, for the most
part I decided to avoid participation until such time as my appeal
was ruled on.
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<br>
avri
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