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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jean-Christophe:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You are confusing people by using inaccurate labels.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There is no “Department of Trade” in the US, there is a Department of Commerce, and although translating “Commerce” into French may be the same general meaning
as “Trade,” American readers will get confused if you switch the terms. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Same accuracy problem with your reference to the IETF Board. I do not know what the IETF Board is, do you mean the IAB? Or the ISOC Board of Trustees? What
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> discuss-bounces@1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shatan, Gregory S.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <, bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>, ; 1Net List; Hartmut Glaser; governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black">ICANN/IANA are. And therefore everything that comes under ICANN's patronage and funding (1net...) has an obvious link to DoT. That makes
quite a grouping. It would be naive not to put the I* under the same umbrella. IETF has a NSA employee at his board.</span></span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Optima","serif";color:black"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 8 janv. 2014 à 20:43, Shatan, Gregory S. a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m confused. What “grouping” are you stating is under a “direct mandate” of the “US trade department”?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">discuss-bounces@1net.org</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org">mailto:discuss-bounces@1net.org</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>John Curran<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [discuss] [bestbits] Fwd: Heads up on Brazil meeting preparation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My report is based upon Lynn Saint Amour statements. It does not come out of personal considerations. The out of the public view is a reality you cannot deny.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Given the nature of the Internet, (no one owns the Internet, and all that bla-bla), it is amusing to finally come to a point where we suddenly have a grouping coordinating ... under the I* naming, appearing to be the governing board, under
a direct mandate of the US trade department, and with the financial support of the major players. These meetings should have been publicized much more. And indeed, then, it is no surprise to have this coordination existing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-style-span"><span style="font-size:8.5pt">Jean-Christophe Nothias </span></span><span style="font-size:8.5pt"><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 8 janv. 2014 à 19:08, John Curran a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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The I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA scandal pressures the I-stars.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Such coordination may not have have been "publicized" (as in press releases) but information about<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and this was well before the Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation.<o:p></o:p></p>
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