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style="font-size:10pt;color:purple;">..................... the renaissance of composure !<br></span></b></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:24 AM, Guru गुरु <Guru@ITforChange.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5669621491"><div>
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On 01/09/2014 09:25 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:<br clear="none">
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Sala...
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This thread is becoming destructive and
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"off course". (i.e. 41 posts on this issue in the last 24-30
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13 are from a single person - Suresh Ramasubramaniam... who should
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Like Mike I have no way of knowing if he is being paid for
continuously, consistently attacking one person, many times through
ad hominem attacks and lies, but there is no doubt in my mind that
he with the help of some of his friends, have been able to paralyse
and make ineffective this caucus, which is a far bigger loss for
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we can refocus ... Please..
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On 1/9/2014 8:29 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
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Calling a 24 hour time out please! The discussions are not
constructive! It might help to think how our posts and
discussions can help in building up instead of always tearing
down. Words are powerful vehicles. No one is more important than
the other, everyone is equal and whilst we all have the right to
freely express ourselves, we have to exercise some level of
restraint.
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<blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Suresh
Ramasubramanian <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5669621491moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a> wrote:
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Last post out of far too many I've made here.
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1. I react - mostly to certain people, on certain topics -
because propaganda, unless countered, if left unchallenged,
wins. As long as you have people who, by their own admission,
treat this as a political exercise, what they do has to, on
principle, be strongly opposed.
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2. I agree that these discussions have distracted us from
something vitally important - actual participation in the
process and making meaningful contributions. Which is why my
first contribution to this topic was to endorse Adam's
candidature for this nomination.
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<blockquote type="cite">On 09-Jan-2014, at 18:09, Daniel
Pimienta <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5669621491moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pimienta@funredes.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:pimienta@funredes.org"><pimienta@funredes.org></a> wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Beyond that - are you saying I had a
hand in Izumi san not being co co any longer? Or is this
some other individual you have in mind?
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I am obviously refering to Norbert Bollow who resigned in
spite the facts many people asked him to reconsider and who
was also subject
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of your insisting expressions.
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Nothing personal with you as in my large civil society
career I have often met people like you whose purpose is to
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discredit any civil society attempt to build something
useful; the difference is that in almost all the case civil
society was able
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to overcome differences of visions to resist to such
permanent agressions (do you realize your are from far the
number one poster
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in this list reacting to every single mail and quite often
manipulating facts or positions as you did with my last
mail?)
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and in this very context there is no such containding
consensus (this is why one wonders what interests are using
you).
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But I suppose we could admit together that what is at stake
is much beyond persons (Parminder, Norbert, you or whoever)
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as we all are just holder of public positions (even
sometines stereotypes) and avoid creating a new thread on
this personal oriented discussion.
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So I wish we could agree to come back to the real stakes and
let the diversity express across people without taking
fingers pointed as threats.
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