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 style="font-size:10pt;color:purple;">..................... the renaissance of composure !<br></span></b></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:24 AM, Guru गुरु <Guru@ITforChange.net> wrote:<br> </font> </div>  <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5669621491"><div>
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        On 01/09/2014 09:25 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:<br clear="none">
      
    
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      Sala...
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      This thread is becoming destructive and
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      "off course".   (i.e. 41 posts on this issue in the last 24-30
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    13 are from a single person - Suresh Ramasubramaniam... who should
    have long been suspended from IGC, applying the charter rules, for
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    Like Mike I have no way of knowing if he is being paid for
    continuously, consistently attacking one person, many times through
    ad hominem attacks and lies, but there is no doubt in my mind that
    he with the help of some of his friends, have been able to paralyse
    and make ineffective this caucus, which is a far bigger loss for
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      we can refocus ... Please..
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      On 1/9/2014 8:29 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote:
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        Calling a 24 hour time out please! The discussions are not
        constructive! It might help to think how our posts and
        discussions can help in building up instead of always tearing
        down. Words are powerful vehicles. No one is more important than
        the other, everyone is equal and whilst we all have the right to
        freely express ourselves, we have to exercise some level of
        restraint.
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        Sala
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        <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Suresh
          Ramasubramanian <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5669621491moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net"><suresh@hserus.net></a> wrote:
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          Last post out of far too many I've made here.
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          1. I react - mostly to certain people, on certain topics -
          because propaganda, unless countered, if left unchallenged,
          wins.  As long as you have people who, by their own admission,
          treat this as a political exercise, what they do has to, on
          principle, be strongly opposed.
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          2. I agree that these discussions have distracted us from
          something vitally important - actual participation in the
          process and making meaningful contributions. Which is why my
          first contribution to this topic was to endorse Adam's
          candidature for this nomination.
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          thanks
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          --srs (iPad)
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          <blockquote type="cite">On 09-Jan-2014, at 18:09, Daniel
            Pimienta <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv5669621491moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:pimienta@funredes.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:pimienta@funredes.org"><pimienta@funredes.org></a> wrote:
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            <blockquote type="cite">Beyond that - are you saying I had a
              hand in Izumi san not being co co any longer? Or is this
              some other individual you have in mind?
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            I am obviously refering to Norbert Bollow who resigned in
            spite the facts many people asked him to reconsider and who
            was also subject
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            of your insisting expressions.
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            Nothing personal with you as in my large civil society
            career I have often met people like you whose purpose is to
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            discredit any civil society attempt to build something
            useful; the difference is that in almost all the case civil
            society was able
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            to overcome differences of visions to resist to such
            permanent agressions (do you realize your are from far the
            number one poster
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            in this list reacting to every single mail and quite often
            manipulating facts or positions as you did with my last
            mail?)
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            and in this very context there is no such containding
            consensus (this is why one wonders what interests are using
            you).
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            But I suppose we could admit together that what is at stake
            is much beyond persons (Parminder, Norbert, you or whoever)
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            as we all are just  holder of public positions (even
            sometines stereotypes) and avoid creating a new thread on
            this personal oriented discussion.
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            So I wish we could agree to come back to the real stakes and
            let the diversity express across people without taking
            fingers pointed as threats.
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