<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Indeed, indeed, Parminder!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>The 1net idea was brought to a I-stars meeting after the NSA scandal and the 'trust' crisis/issue over the current asymmetric domination. 1net is an ICANN idea and since then has been pushed by ICANN. It is amusing to note that thanks to the Montevideo statement, the existence of these meetings has now become a public information - a very-behind-close-doors-meetings!! The I-stars meetings were not publicized before the NSA scandal pressures the I-stars. "We didn't want to attract attention!! apologized the 11 CEOs part of the I-stars, all them putting their signature at the bottom line of the Montevideo statement ( in reaction to the crisis!). They survived WCIT but not Snowden.<div><br></div><div>Lynn Saint Amour, ISOC CEO in 2013, admitted in a recorded meeting during last ICANN 48 that she and other I-stars CEOs were first reluctant to the 1net idea. Would 1net be a competitor to ISOC and its chapters if you only think of ISOC's view of 1net? Other reasons were discussed.</div><div><br></div><div>It is crystal clear to any political advisor with some experience that 1net is a political extravaganza set to bring some sort of legitimacy to ICANN and its plan to bake an international dressing and menu, in order to keep as much as possible the asymmetry acceptable. It is also a bright move to try to bring back as many civil society voices under a I-stars overview/control. But some elements of the international civil society are not governable from the US, (when they exist and wherever they are located). 1net has also a dilution effect over the IGF, which is still a UN 'thing'. 1net would take away from the IGF some of its relevance - even though one can admit that the IGF was stalling. The bestbit, the 1net, the High Level Panel by the ICANN... all of that converge to take the IGF down to a not-able venue - We the French have made a word with the not-able, <i>les notables</i>, the ones having the impression that they are the important guys around. No one better than a <i>notable</i> can keep a status quo safe. <i>Notables</i> are usually conservatives (of their status and advantages) by nature. A little bit like the I-stars and their <i>aficionados</i>.</div><div><br></div><div>ISOC could have been the natural 1net but is too much of a US entity, even though it has offices around the world. The 1net idea is to shift civil society and other Internet actors under an ICANN umbrella, an umbrella being revamped as some sort of International organization (IO). Even though it would be a fake IO, this new ICANN would be an embarrassment to any initiative coming from or endorsed by a multilateral, or international law related, oriented body. </div><div><br></div><div>The I-stars are defending themselves from trying to lower the IGF capacity. They have recently stated that, indeed, IGF deserves more funds, and that the I-stars should think about giving to the IGF. This UN-WSIS venue is today functioning with a miserable budget, even in comparison to the ICANN communication budget, or the ISOC large revenues thank to PIR and its selling of domains with .net, .org.... With such a poor financial condition, the IGF has to turn to sometime evil government willing to show some good face on the occasion by hosting the IGF meeting. Azerbaijan and others have been financially correct and grata. After all, isn't it fair to associate the UN with rogue states looking for friends. And make sure that everyone confuses the UN with them.</div><div><br></div><div>Nothing could be more effective than providing notables with some more $ as they enjoy could table, and days of peace in remote location whether in California, Bali or Argentina to meet, discuss and blunder. We all remember that a few notables agreed to be paid for their personal views over IG when attending the London High level panel meeting set by the ICANN few weeks ago. What was the budget on this one? 50 guests... Maybe the IGF would be happy to get this money to investigate more about the financial practice over inter-connected networks and data carriers, providers and miners. Or launch an honest survey of ideas to improve IG practice.</div><div><br></div><div>So, will the ICANN-1net plan work out? Will it be said: "<i>Tout va bien madame la marquise</i>"?</div><div><br></div><div>It is not hard to imagine that this will bring legitimate reactions from many 'stakeholders'. Outside of 1net. Outside of ICANN et al.</div><div><br></div><div>Brazil might already have lost its 'time'. Brazil and others.</div><div><br></div><div>Enough will soon be enough</div><div><br></div><div>JC</div><div><br></div><div><br><div>
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<div>Hmm....i think that may need to be reworded Louis as i
don't think 1NET=ICANN but my understanding is that
1NET=Various Stakeholders (including ICANN). So i expect
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I remember John Curran, who was at the Monte Video meeting where
1Net idea arose, saying quite recently on this list something to the
effect that 1Net is yet just an e- discussion space, and it can
become what its steering committee (which hasnt met yet) may want it
to become...<br>
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I havent seen simple e-lists being suddenly invited to co-own and
co-shape global meetings. Have you? Does it not appear strange. And
for getting such an invitation to come into the centre of Brazil
meeting hosting space, one has to really push hard, and have a lot
of power. (I know also because some well established civil society
groups tried - together - to enter this 'hosting space' and got no
response.).. These are power games... 1Net itself is hardly in a
position to do the pushing... So whoever has the power and is using
it to come to the centre of Brazil meeting hosting space is 1Net at
the moment. Follows logically, whether we like it or not. <br>
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parminder<br>
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One would greatly prefer that we know who is
running the show, and on what legitimacies....
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This was supposed to an open, public meeting
with globally shared ownership and all such
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Thanks, parminder <br>
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Subject: [discuss] Heads up on Brazil
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I have been invited (for /1Net) to
attend a status update
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representatives of the Brazil
meeting's LOG and ICANN last Friday.
</b>Here are some key points discussed
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