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      Ok, Bill,  There was  a category confusion here. Since we were/
      are interacting within the IGC and BB space I meant simply 'our CS
      groups' here had made that decision. I agree that it is factually
      incorrect to say that it is a civil society decision. Should only
      say it is IGC plus BB plus APC plus IRP decision. I stand
      corrected.<br>
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      (Since I was writing to Carlos I was also mindful that Carlos 
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      face="Verdana">which groups put forward this position and will
      communicate accordingly...)<br>
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      In any case, I request the leaderships of IGC, BB, APC and IRP
      colaition to let us know what there current position is on this
      issue, and what do they propose to do since it seems that things
      are going in the direction that they did not want them to go..<br>
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      parminder<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 27 December 2013 04:35 PM,
      William Drake wrote:<br>
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        <div>On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:34 AM, parminder <<a
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 27 December 2013
              02:53 PM, William Drake wrote:<br>
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              Hi
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              <div>Small corrections please</div>
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                  <div>On Dec 27, 2013, at 9:48 AM, parminder <<a
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                        face="Verdana">Dear Carlos<br>
                        <br>
                        I understand that the local organising group
                        will meet in a few hours from now...<br>
                        <br>
                        I will request you to let them know that civil
                        society groups </font></div>
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                  Should read “some civil society groups”.  Probably
                  necessary to give their names so the message is
                  understood properly.</div>
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            I understand that it is a decision of 4 CS organisations/
            networks - IGC, BB, IRP and APC -  which was sent in a
            written form to the Brazilians and I am only reiterating
            that decision... I understand that decision stand unless a
            counter decision is taken..<br>
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        Well…As Nnenna and other have documented, IGC and BB are in fact
        the same people, and as BB is a voting platform with formal
        members it’s not clear how legitimately this position was
        adopted without a vote.  IRP I thought was a multistakeholder
        coalition, is it not?  I don’t recall what APC’s position was,
        would be good to have reconfirmation.  Either way, not endorsing
        that approach is NCSG (almost 400 organization and individual
        members), Diplo (quite a lot), or various other CS networks and
        organizations engaged in IG.  So you really are not in a
        position to issue grandiose totalizing proclamations on behalf
        of all global civil society.  And FWIW, as both a founding IGC
        member and a BB attendee, I certainly I don’t recall an open and
        inclusive discussion in either setting about whether to stand
        aloof of the process the Brazilians are asking us to use (which
        I can’t believe we’re still debating).  What I do remember is a
        few loud and aggressive voices demanding that this be the stance
        and nobody wanting to tangle.  I also remember the very same
        people who denounced using 1net as the agreed aggregator of
        nominations and anything else then demanding to be appointed to
        its coordination committee, which is a pretty blatant bit of
        have your cake and eat it too incoherence.</div>
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      <div>Anyway, it’s of course totally fine if there are groups that
        feel that on principle you will not interface with the Brazilian
        process in the manner the Brazilians have asked for.  Then
        simply say who you are, and don’t pretend to speak for other
        parts of CS that don’t agree with you.  </div>
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            However, if you and or others want that decision to be
            reversed, please indicate so, and we can gather opinions. </div>
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        I’m not asking you to change your view, I know you won’t. I’m
        asking you to please report accurately who supports your
        statement so that others of us don’t have to waste time issuing
        a public corrective.  Such a process is not going to add luster
        to CS participation. </div>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Otherwise please do not
            confuse people about what is an existing decision of key
            civil society groups…</div>
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        I’m not confusing people, you are.  You are claiming, yet again,
        to be speaking for “civil society,” when you are not.  It is a
        pretty major misrepresentation.</div>
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      <div>BD<br>
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            parminder <br>
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                        face="Verdana">stand by their decision to
                        communicate their nominees for various
                        organising committees directly to the local
                        organising group (LOG) ... All other kinds of
                        communication from the civil society </font><span
                        style="font-family: Verdana;">side</span><span
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                  from these members of the civil society ‘side’</div>
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                        face="Verdana">will also continue to be done
                        from civil society side directly to the LOG, and
                        later, as appropriate to the relevant organising
                        committees. We </font></div>
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                  These civil society groups</div>
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                <div>These amendments add some precision and avoid some
                  of the unnecessary confusion that’s arisen.</div>
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                <div>Thanks</div>
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                <div>Bill</div>
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                        face="Verdana">do not intend to mediate any such
                        communication through 1Net or any such other
                        group. <br>
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                        I will add as a personal opinion that: Brazil/
                        CGI.Br has taken the political role of
                        organising this important meeting; it cannot now
                        shirk from the corresponding political
                        responsibilities, by passing them on to others
                        who have not been given the needed legitimacy.
                        The world sees and approves Brazil as the host
                        and organiser of this meeting, and it will be
                        best if they are able to continue to do so. Any
                        change of perception would have important
                        bearing on the legitimacy and success of the
                        meeting. <br>
                        <br>
                        I would also like to request LOG to give civil
                        society Liaisons - the names being already
                        communicated to them - equal status and
                        involvement in your meetings and decisions as,
                        apparently, is being given to some other non
                        governmental groups. <br>
                        <br>
                        In this regard I also request the Liaisons to be
                        in contact with the LOG, and also with us. <br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks and best regards<br>
                        <br>
                        Parminder<br>
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                    Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, <br>
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