<div dir="ltr">The french gov complain in one hand and get inspiration in another about surveillance  <a href="http://m.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/les-industriels-se-revoltent-contre-une-surveillance-renforcee-du-net-0203175656091.htm">http://m.lesechos.fr/tech-medias/les-industriels-se-revoltent-contre-une-surveillance-renforcee-du-net-0203175656091.htm</a> (link in french)<div class="gmail_extra">

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/9 Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


  
    
  
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    Hello all,<br>
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    this complaining about the (mainly US) Private Sector collecting
    information, working hand in hand with Governments to turn the
    Internet (and the world) into a huge Big Brother State contrasts
    with the message that the accused in this article are sending out:<br>
    <a href="http://reformgovernmentsurveillance.com/" target="_blank">http://reformgovernmentsurveillance.com/</a><br>
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    So everybody's accusing everybody else in this story.<br>
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    Somewhere among all of this virtual smoke lies the truth.<br>
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    Kind regards,<br>
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    <div>On 09/12/2013 08:37, Jean-Christophe
      Nothias wrote:<br>
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      <div>What is a bit of concern is that Fleur Pellerin might not be
        with full support of other French ministers.</div>
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      <div>Gilles Babinet, special French envoy to Nellie Kroes has just
        complained about the new French military programme and budget,
        showing reinforcement of surveillance spendings and capacities.
        A counter response to the US surveillance programmes. Not
        exactly in line with Fleur Pellerin. Certainly not the right way
        to address the issue. What's the quai d'Orsay saying? Martinon?</div>
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      <div>Again, and again, we need to have, among other things, a
        governance ecosystem constraining states to better behavior. If
        this goes specifically through international law and a
        multilateral agreement, let's be it. With one global
        multilateral convention, we might stop this overall governmental
        escalation of paranoia. The US has not shown the right
        direction. Is Eli Noam right? Are we going toward an inevitable
        balkanization of the Internet?</div>
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      <div>:-(</div>
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      <div>JC</div>
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        <div>Le 9 déc. 2013 à 09:19, chlebrum . a écrit :</div>
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            <div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Here is French
              Digital Ministry interview in Le Monde Newspaper,</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/7 Jean-Louis FULLSACK <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jlfullsack@orange.fr" target="_blank">jlfullsack@orange.fr</a>></span><br>
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                <p>Dear members of the list</p>
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                <p>A very interesting article which might be central to
                  Internet governance because it's about the global
                  misuse of it by one Big Brother State -the US- with
                  "Five Eyes ".</p>
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                <p>Title and subtitle :</p>
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                  <h1>Saving the Net from the surveillance state: Glenn
                    Greenwald speaks up (Q&A)</h1>
                  <p>The man to whom Edward Snowden entrusted his NSA
                    documents isn't content just to save the Bill of
                    Rights and reinvent journalism. He also wants to
                    stop the Internet from becoming history's most
                    dangerous spy tool.</p>
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                  <p>Lets take our time to read it. It's here :</p>
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                  <p>Best regards</p>
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                      <p>Jean-Louis Fullsack</p>
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