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    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
        style="mso-bidi-font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;
        mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Thank you David, for clarifying this
        point. Tim,
        additional clarification is in footnote [1]: ...... the UN
        Charter in the
        article 41 specifies that sanctions may include ‘complete or
        partial
        interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air,
        postal, telegraphic,
        radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of
        diplomatic
        relations’. The possibility of ‘deleting a country from the
        Internet’ or
        cutting the Internet links was not used in any of the main
        international
        conflicts or sanctions regimes, from the Balkans in 1990s till
        the recent one
        in Syria. </span><span
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        mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Although
the
        UN Charter provides a legal basis, the possibility of stopping
        services of
        'resolving' top level domain of countries under the sanctions
        has <span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>never been used.</span><span
        style="font-family:Times;color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span
        style="font-family:Helvetica;
        color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Tim, on this question...</span><span
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        style="font-family:Arial;color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:
        EN-GB"></span>Did you
      mean that they would be the rootzone admin and the database<i
        style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span
          style="font-family:Helvetica;color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">
          manager?  They already host a rootserver (L) and are (via IANA
          function) the DB manager.</span></i><i
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        JOVAN: David clarified that ICANN does
        not host the root server. In the blog text, the Verisign option
        would be
        covered in "continuing to use the current location would require
        changes
        in the US national law, in order to ensure international
        inviolability of the
        root database".  Since a change in the US law for this type of
        immunity/inviolability could be a complex exercise, the solution
        for hosting
        the server by ICANN could be simpler, especially if a broader
        arrangement is
        made for  ICANN+  (making ICANN a quasi-international
        organisation).
        This could be also a solution for immunity for ICANN's role as 
        DB
        manager. <br>
        <br>
        David, I agree that root zone issue is a symbolic one.  The US
        'deletion’
        move is almost as improbable as the chance that the Higgs Boson
        experiment in
        CERN will create anti-matter field which can siphon the Earth
        through a black
        hole. But, this probability excited some journalist in Geneva
        (nice Dan Brown
        style story).  <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        style="font-family:Helvetica;
        color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">The rootzone question is
        symbolic and it
        should be addressed that way. Otherwise, we will - at best -
        continue wasting
        our time on it or - at worst - have it escalating into the major
        issue in the
        fast shifting political context.<br>
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        Regards, Jovan </span><br>
      <span style="font-family:Helvetica;
        color:#222222;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"></span><span
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/9/13 2:53 AM, David Conrad wrote:<br>
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      cite="mid:DEB3226B-C977-4B44-BE08-FACF7C7FC53F@virtualized.org"
      type="cite">
      <pre wrap="">Hi,

On Dec 8, 2013, at 8:26 PM, McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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        <pre wrap="">"The USA has never used this technical possibility to remove a country
from the Internet (US DOC authorizes ICANN via an IANA contract, to
manage the root zone).[1]"

Can you explain how the US could do this as a "technical possibilty".
AFAIK, they only ascertain if the change was done according to IANA
procedure.  They don't have control over the zone itself.
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I gather the theory is that some part of the US Government would issue some sort of legally binding directive outside of the normal IANA root zone management function. Realistically, I'd imagine that directive would be applied to Verisign, not ICANN since Verisign is the only organization that has the technical capability to change the root zone unilaterally. Of course, it remains unclear whether the root server operators would accept such a change, but I gather we're talking symbology and theory here.

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        <pre wrap="">When you wrote "Such an ICANN+ would both host the root server, and
manage the root database."
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      <pre wrap="">
I'm not sure what "host the root server" means here.

</pre>
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        <pre wrap="">Did you mean that they would be the rootzone admin and the database
manager?  They already host a rootserver (L) and are (via IANA
function) the DB manager.
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      <pre wrap="">
There might be a bit of confusion here.  To be explicit in the roles:

- ICANN, as the IANA function operator, validates (in terms of syntax, semantics, and that the request can from an authorized party, i.e., the TLD administrator) root zone change requests and submits those validated requests for authorization to NTIA.  ICANN is _not_ the database manager.

- US Dept. of Commerce, NTIA authorizes those change requests, verifying ICANN has performed the IANA root zone management function appropriately.  Once authorized, the change request is released to Verisign for implementation.

- Verisign, under a cooperative agreement with NTIA, acts as the root zone maintainer.  Verisign accepts the NTIA-authorized root zone change request, implements that change request in the root zone by updating the root zone database, resigns the root zone with the DNSSEC zone signing key (which has been signed by the key signing key maintained by ICANN), and then places the changed and newly signed root zone onto a distribution server, notifying (via the DNS protocol) that a new zone is available.

- The 12 root server operators, either due to the notification sent by Verisign or because of timers built into the root zone, automatically pull the new root zone from the distribution server and place it on their servers (which, in most cases, actually a constellation of instances all over the planet).  For example, ICANN, as one of the 12 root server operators, pulls the root zone from the distribution master server and then pushes it out to the 146 sites (300+ machines last I heard) that respond to DNS queries sent to the "L" root server address.

I hope this clarifies.

Regards,
-drc

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