<div dir="ltr">Some concepts are too complex to force them into a single word.<div>Deirdre</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 November 2013 09:14, Bertrand de La Chapelle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com" target="_blank">bdelachapelle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all,</div><div><br></div><div>Finding an appropriate term is something that is an ongoing difficulty for the reasons detailed in this thread. And the ICANN community, staff and board are regularly struggling with this. The current consultations for the Strategic Plan illustrate it. </div>
<div><br></div>In this context, Milton rightly highlights the ambiguity when discussing "ICANN's internationalization". There are different complementary dimensions behind this word, and it is important to distinguish them. I see at least the following three aspects:<div>
<ol><li><b>The Organization's physical presence and outreach</b>: this includes the current opening of hubs in Singapore and Istanbul, the creation of additional engagement offices, the role of the "regional" VPs, the development of multilingualism, etc... Generally speaking this is about ICANN moving closer to the people it serves, rather than having one core site of operations and asking people to just come to its meetings. In a nutshell, this is about ICANN thinking internationally. <br>
</li><li><b>The incorporation of the organization in one particular country </b>(US in the State of California) and submission to one national legal regime vs exploring possible alternatives, such as: specific immunities, another country with specific regime for international non-profit organizations (cf. the report mentioned by Nick), or a more international status (INGO as Michael suggested) ... As mentioned by Karl, there are difficult legal and practical questions and this is why this has not necessarily moved much until now. Furthermore, ICANN had many other fish to fry in the last years, including improving its own operational capacity and the management of the new gTLD program. ICANN is performing a global public interest function, is therefore a global organization in that regard, even if the current international system does not easily (if at all) allow to create global structures that are not intergovernmental. <br>
</li><li>Last but not least, the term "ICANN's internationalization" also includes, as Milton noted, the question of <b>the role of the US administration in the IANA process</b>. This itself actually covers two dimensions: the fact that the IANA contract giving ICANN the responsibility for the clerical verification of the requests for changes in the root zone file is still issued by the US government AND the specific role of the US NTIA in the final transmission of the change to Verisign. This is now less a taboo for discussion since the Montevideo Declaration, which is good, and I am deeply convinced there are ways to address this issue in a fact-based and constructive manner. That being said, the important part is more about the internationalization of NTIA's role in the IANA workflow than the internationalization of ICANN itself. And the solution for that - even if we use the term "internationalization" - is not a sort of Digital Security Council. Innovation is needed here if we collectively want to move to a system that guarantees for ALL actors the integrity of the root zone file, ensuring that no one, voluntarily or involuntarily, can tamper with the root. <br>
</li></ol></div><div>Maybe different words could be used for these different dimensions. </div><div><br></div><div>I hope this helps. </div><div><br></div><div>Bests</div><div><br></div><div>Bertrand</div><div><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Internationalization</b>: one wants to have a larger international basis: more offices, more representatives, more of a network of local branches that, being put together, creates an international network. Still each element is mostly
comparable to the starting point in terms of culture, thinking... Clones spread around the world? 'One for all' kind of uniformity.
<i>Meaning many little ICANNs all around. </i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Globalization</b>: this could happen without a network of offices around the world. You can observe a very globalized entity containing so many different elements, co-exisiting, still assembling one strong outlet with a governance of
its own, but embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one single corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the many in a global manner of thinking. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind.</i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Transnationalization</b>: this tends to establish a community of people based in various locations, trying to forget about their local identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to address a more common, regional, transnational,
trans-sectorial issue. A way to achieve an understanding of global magnitude. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater control over the network, and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a global minded outlet. Good communication value.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying to explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG debate.<u></u><u></u></p>
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to the table for consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure communication tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable definition and understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something that usually brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...<u></u><u></u></p>
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That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their<br>
governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has<br>
certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global<br>
phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of<br>
decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is<br>
happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national<br>
relations.<br>
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On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very<br>
wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased<br>
social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns<br>
that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to address.<br>
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Maybe yet another term could be used???<br>
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Greetings,<br>
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