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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Sunday 24 November 2013 06:29 AM,
"Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Parminder:
To the extent that we can all agree that there are indeed many issues that are not being dealt by current mechanisms, that is a good start for doing the real work of thinking about the needed mechanisms.
Wolfgang:
Can you specify which issue is NOT dealt by the IGF? And if all issues can be raised within the framework of the IGF, why not to make the IGF stronger? </pre>
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IGF cannot decide on issues, and unless it is your position that
nothing in global IG needs any kind of decisions (is it your
position?), IGF of course needs to be complemented by a decision
making body. Wolfgang, you co-authored the Council of Europe (CoE) <a
href="http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/media/MC-S-CI/MC-S-CI%20Interim%20Report.pdf">report</a>
on cross border Internet. Do you think that numerous internet public
policy issues you mention there need no decision making. If so, why
did you not recommend in your report that CoE should should forgo
inter- governmental means to develop public policies, and allow
EuroDIG, the European IGF, to do it?<br>
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In fact the report says, "States have rights and responsibilities
for developing and implementing international Internet-related
public policy...". To the credit of its authors, it also says' "“<font
face="serif"><font size="3">International
Internet-related public policies and Internet governance
arrangements should ensure full and equal participation of all
countries.”</font></font>
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That should seal it in terms of the issue under discussion - the
need for mechanisms at the global level for international
Internet-related public policies, and the nature of such mechanisms.<br>
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In fact the CoE report recommended that an *inter-governmental body*
develops<br>
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1, General principles on Internet governance<br>
2. Recommendations for international cooperation on management of
critical internet resources (i would take this as pertaining to the
'oversight' issue)<br>
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The report further goes on to recommend to an inter-gov body of the
CoE "<font face="sans-serif"><font size="3">to
continue the examination of the feasibility of drafting
instruments
designed to preserve or re inforce the protection of
cross border
flow of Internet traffic, openness and neutrality". </font></font>
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I see almost all my assertions regarding 'enhanced cooperation'
mandate from Tunis conform to the report you co-authored for CoE.. <br>
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Then, why are views different when we speak of the global stage?
This is also as much about a cross-border Internet. <br>
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<pre wrap="">You were a proponent of better outpput in the UNCSTD IGF Improgeent WG! </pre>
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Yes, very much so. And you know what was the response of most others
in the room to the 'India proposal' for giving recommendatory
powers to the IGF, and making it and its MAG more functional ......
Those who most resisted that proposal are now most active to empower
IGF to take up the enhanced cooperation role - that merits some
explanation....<br>
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<pre wrap="">What is your comment to Jeremy´s and my proposal for an (IGF) Multistakeholder Internet Policy Council (MIPOC) as an addition to the MAG (which is just a program committteee)?</pre>
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My comment is as follows: the day we admit business reps (on an
equal basis) into actual public policy making decisions, it would
mark the end of democracy ..... And there is enough passion for
democracy left in the world that such a thing would never be
allowed... For some time people may be able to push such an
anti-democratic proposal behind the smoke screen of
multistakeholderism but when it begins to become serious, people
would find out what it really is about and just never accept it...
Even the CoE wont accept it, as per the above mentioned report. <br>
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parminder<br>
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