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<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 23, 2013 6:16 PM, "JFC Morfin" <<a href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com">jefsey@jefsey.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<blockquote type="cite"><b>At 20:47 22/11/2013, Marilia
Maciel wrote:</b><br>
As far as I could notice in my first ICANN meeting, there is still no
clear understanding that ICANN serves the public good. This line is
becoming more prominent in speeches, but the assimilation and the
interpretation of what this "public responsibility" entails
varies a lot across the organization. I can't remember hearing words like
"development" and "human rights". Competition seems
to be used in place of development, as if one thing would necessarily
entail the other. And competition should be achieved by market forces,
not through policy (ex: making the application for new gTLDs less
expensive for developing country applicants was not approved some time
ago). </blockquote><br>
Maria,<br>
<br>
Your feeling is correct. The reason why we have so many disputes over
competition vs. development vs. neutrality vs. human rights vs. etc. vs.
etc. is simple enough to understand. It is historic.<br>
<br>
From experience and research we call it "the BUG": it is the
mental, political, technical, etc. “<b>B</b>an of every <b>U</b>se that
reaches a <b>G</b>lobal scale”, because it cannot be further controlled.
<br>
<br>
Please understand that the people who have initially designed, used, and
managed the internet never intended to build a network for the world.
They were US academics and engineers who enlarged themselves further on
to business users with progressively no external financing. They applied
Louis Pouzin's "catenet" concept introduced by Vint Cerf as the
interneting of their systems using Vint's and Bob Kahn's TCP/IP: the
network of networks.<br>
<br>
They connected to the international public network in 1984 with one
objective: keep budget control. This was Jon Postel’s job, the
"Internet Tsar": to finance, not otherwise voluntarily assumed,
common functions quickly enough through domain names. ICANN was created
by Jon Postel and it has continued to his job: auto-financing the IANA.
Vint Cerf's ISOC has the burden of financing and supporting (relieving
Bob Kahn) the IETF, etc. <br>
<br>
Technically, the task was practical end to end data transportation and
running code, not the constraints established by Governments in order
(through the ISO technology) to respect the (technically costly,
constraining, uncontrollable) general values that you miss. This was
technically quicker, "dirtier", cheaper, and unsecure (hence
acceptable to most). In the deregulation and pre-WTO Kennedy round
context it was backed by political and military US consensus. Once the
then prevailing every-use-oriented non-controllable technology (Tymnet)
acquired and stopped by a member of the US industrial establishment
(McDD), the competition resolved to US computers+Internet and non-US OSI
switchers. Industry bucks won over the Public good. Gone are the people’s
networks of the network of networks project: the robust BUG
prevailed.<br>
<br>
Today, the whole thing is confronted with reality. Those who pay (Gov,
professional use, CS) want neutral, secure, versatile, efficient,
resilient, innovative, fair, sustainable, etc. and most of all
foreseeable (the investments are heavy and unclear, e.g. IPv6) quality.
The I* establishment <u>does not know</u> how to do it. <br>
<br>
This is why we should thank those who (ISOC), for several years, have
gathered its leaders for them to think together. They achieved at least
three major things: <br>
<br>
(1) to spell out their motivations [this is RFC 6852]. One
may disagree with it, but it is clear and workable, except on one point
that I object to: it has to be made reliable. <br>
(2) the publicly united Montevideo statement that discloses
(with Lynn's letter to the AC) their MS common and open (1NET) approach
to answer this objection by MSism. <br>
(3) that the US, being attacked by Brazil, have accepted to
openly discuss the matter with everyone (including the Telcos) and ease
the climate after the WCIT.<br>
<br>
This DOES NOT address your objections. This does not address mine either,
about the architectonic flaws of their position.<br>
<br>
HOWEVER, this is a clear position. It does permit us to discuss and build
with them in very practical technical, political, and economic terms.
<br>
<br>
Now, if we want to be productive, all of us have to get real. Getting
real means, among other things, <br>
<br>
· for us to accept the particular
role of the US in the world economy and peace, the contribution and
demands of each civilization, the common need to re-understand
sovereignty and citizenship, the duties of every Government, the business
reality, the difference between a 1 and a 10 billion people+N-billion
bots society, the impact of the so-called "singularity", etc.
and most of all that communications are not host to host, but among
persons.<br>
<br>
· For the US, multilateral
institutions and Governments, it is also to evaluate the pros and cons of
globalism vs. glocalism (to respect localism – down to the people –
within a global context). <br>
<br>
· For all, it means to understand
what “wholization” is, i.e. the synergy of organizing the whole thing
together, and how to use/redistribute the resulting bonus. <br>
<br>
The target is to address the BUG, i.e. to replace a unicity of control by
a diversified unity, what is <u>not</u> balkanization but rather
burgeoning, in freeing innovation in the use field along universal human
digital rights (i.e. the specific embodiment of HRs in the digital
context). <br>
<br>
I just want to add that having seen the spring of the BUG, I feel that it
only results from a generational culture of the network use management
(what one also call governance or intergovernance): correcting it could
not call for the change of a single bit of code (the technology is
robust). It “only” demands a brainware evolution and reshaping some
structures. Whatever the hows: we have engaged it.<br>
<br>
<a name="14285f69342a74ff__GoBack"></a>Let’s not dispute. Let’s cooperate.<br>
<br>
jfc<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">I don't think that arguments
such as "the responsibility to support the weakest link" would
mean much in a high policy dialogue inside ICANN. On the best case, my
feeling is that it would translate into support for the attendance of
some constituency members or more fellowships. It does not mean, however,
that we should demonize the space or stay away from it. It was created
with this DNA for historical and political reasons. It is up to people
who believe that the idea of the "public good" and
"development" and "rights" should be reinforced to be
there and shape it. The much necessary internationalization would not
translate into significant changes on the operational level, unless these
different views are strengthened from within. <br><br>
Marília <br><br>
<br><br>
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:03 PM, William Drake
<<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">william.drake@uzh.ch</a>>
wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Hi Michael
<dd>On Nov 21, 2013, at 4:02 PM, michael gurstein
<<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>Thanks for the endorsement Bill, but you left out what I consider to
be a crucial element which is that that support should not be done simply
by attempting to incorporate/co-opt civil society within ICANN (as seems
to be the current direction) but rather to provide a means for the
independent support of an independent, broadly based and inclusive Civil
Society—not an easy task to accomplish but not I think,
impossible.</dd></blockquote>
<dd>I have no idea on what basis you are characterizing “the current
direction” in that manner. What conversations with whom have you
had that gives you this special insight about “co-optation” being
underway? All I have heard, which was responsive to your
prior comment so I replied, is that ICANN recognizes that CS needs to be
fully included in the effort.<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>
<dd>A useful example with some (but not total) relevance is the support
that OSI provided for CSISAC at the OECD, which among other
things,</dd></dd></blockquote>
<dd>So you’re talking about money? I’ve not heard discussions of
money, just of ensuring the platform is open to all in terms of
participation and inputs.<br><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>allowed for the hiring of a (part-time) CS coordinator and some
(limited) funds for selected/expert CS participation in various OECD
substantive activities/events. BTW one of the reasons that this worked to
the degree that it did was that the funding went (indirectly) to CSISAC
and the co-ordinator reported to the Steering Committee rather than for
example, the funding being given to one or another of the organizational
members of CSISAC who then had the responsibility for (opportunity to)
pick and choose re: how the funds were spent (which inevitably leads to
suspicion and bad feeling).
<dd>
<dd>Of course, the OECD is quite a different space from the IG one but
various groupings within CS including notably a lot of the current
parties in the IG CS space have managed to cooperate and accomplish quite
a great deal as a result, in large part, of the (quite modest) financial
support provided by OSI.</dd></dd></dd></blockquote>
<dd>Yes, it’s a different space. But at this point we’re still
talking about much more basic things, like what the framework for
participation in planning arrangements will be, how people will provide
inputs, etc. The Brazilians will have more to say after their
meeting Monday.
<dd>Best,
<dd>Bill<blockquote type="cite">
<dd>
<dd>M,
<dd>
<dd>From: William Drake
[<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>]
<dd>Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 10:38 AM
<dd>To: Governance; michael gurstein
<dd>Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian
<dd>Subject: Re: [governance] Networkworld: ICANN Sets Up A Coalition to
address new Internet governance challenges
<dd>
<dd>On Nov 21, 2013, at 2:27 AM, michael gurstein
<<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<dd>Many are uneasy with this but if ICANN wishes to occupy that role
(and given their privileged financial position as gatekeeper/rent
extractor they are in a position to present themselves for this) then
they have an interest in/responsibility for supporting the weakest link
in that multi-stakeholder Internet ecology i.e. Civil Society.
<dd>
<dd>I can endorse the second lat of the sentence, and we have
communicated this to Fadi and senior staff in some detail. They say
they get it.
<dd>
<dd>Bill
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