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<DIV>Thanks for the clarification George and Sala. I have no problem at all with
a good non-exclusive line of contact (such as yourself) to the proclaimed
representatives of the technical community.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=george.sadowsky@gmail.com
href="mailto:george.sadowsky@gmail.com">George Sadowsky</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:03 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com
href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro</A> ; <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] Fadi Speech to ALAC, Brazil 2014 Meeting
and need for IGC and civil society Liaisons</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Ian,
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<DIV>Sala and I talked while we were both in Buenos Aires. Perhaps I can
clarify my sense of what she may have been proposing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is at the moment somewhat of a gulf between the technical community
and the list(s) used by the proclaimed representatives of civil society.
Sometimes such differences of opinion, as well as fact, can be resoled rather
quickly if they are discussed directly by people on both sides of the issue,
rather than being left to fester and feed growing suspicion and/or
discontent. I think that Sala thought that having some announced or
implied line of communication, clearly non-exclusive, might be helpful at
times. I thought so, too.</DIV>
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<DIV>Having seen little response from anyone on this list, perhaps the idea
isn't welcome in the more formalized sense in which it has been presented, and I
can understand that. I think that perhaps I could be more active from time
to time in the discussions that occur, and that might help to bridge some
differences between the communities. Although I consider myself more
technical in the context of Internet governance discussions, I do have
roots in development activities that are quite consistent with some of the
expressions of opinion posted to this and similar lists.</DIV>
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<DIV>George</DIV>
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<DIV>On Nov 18, 2013, at 1:12 AM, Ian Peter wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Hi Sala, </DIV>
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<DIV>a matter of clarification please.</DIV>
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<DIV>Are you suggesting that George be a point of liaison within the technical
community for civil society, or that George be a civil society representative
liaising with the technical community?</DIV>
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<DIV>I am all in favour of the former, and admire George’s work, but I doubt
whether George would be entirely comfortable with the latter role and even if
he was I doubt that would be acceptable to many on this list. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com
href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">Salanieta T.
Tamanikaiwaimaro</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 18, 2013 4:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=george.sadowsky@gmail.com
href="mailto:george.sadowsky@gmail.com">George Sadowsky</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [governance] Fadi Speech to ALAC, Brazil 2014 Meeting and
need for IGC and civil society Liaisons</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>Dear
IGC,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT color=#000000
size=3 face=Calibri>As you can imagine, since Bali and in light of the
“multistakeholder” event that will be hosted by the Brazil on the future on
Internet Governance called: </FONT><FONT size=3><FONT color=#000000><FONT
face=Calibri><B><I>"Global Multistakeholder <BR>Meeting on the Future on
Internet Governance,"</I><SPAN> </SPAN></B><SPAN>it becomes inherently
critical that we start preparing to shape the Agenda. Many thanks to Carlos
and Hartmut for keeping us informed of what is happening within Brazil and for
taking the time to translate from Portuguese to English when the need demands.
Unfortunately, there were no live transcripts although transcripts will be
provided unlike the live stream available to the GAC community (tongue in
cheek). <SPAN> </SPAN>To watch the vide of Fadi speaking:
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadi spoke about the manner
in which ICANN is going to engage in what I thought was a very mature response
symbolic of the desire to engage with
communities.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN> </SPAN>As you can imagine in the
lead up to the preparations for 2014 we as global civil society need to
consolidate to prepare.<SPAN> </SPAN>There have been discussions going
on offlist amongst the various facilitators of some of the core civil society
groups about how this is to take place where it has centered on the
possibilities of a joint framework for engagement of civil society
including<SPAN> </SPAN>Multistakeholder selection processes for some of
the key positions. There was suggestion to experiment first with the combined
NomCom for the MAG and I highlighted that this could be difficult in light of
the pressing deadlines.<SPAN> </SPAN>There may be room however for joint
endorsements but I will leave this to the NomCom Chair. At this point, I do
not want to burden our NomCom as they are working against a very narrow and
tight deadline. Whilst we are waiting for the other groups to comment on
coordinated and shared framework for engagement, I would like to propose the
following to the IGC.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>Given that we do not have time nor the
resources, it has been by way of an ad hoc nature common for people who are
involved in foras or diverse communities to provide feedback on what is
happening randomly. This to a large extent happens but my sense is that we
need to be better coordinated and have different people watch the different
spaces they are in and liaise back with the IGC. I suggested that this could
be done with and through combined civil society but I think we need to pick up
the pace and start anyway whilst waiting.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>To this extent, I would propose that in the
spirit of enhanced cooperation that we use our own people within civil society
who happen to wear multiple hats to act as liaisons, even if temporary at this
point until such time where we can coordinate more permanent representation. I
feel that the IGC should have liaisons in the following
circles:</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in"><FONT color=#000000><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: symbol"><SPAN><FONT size=3>·</FONT><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>Technical Community
</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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style="FONT-FAMILY: symbol"><SPAN><FONT size=3>·</FONT><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>Business
Community</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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style="FONT-FAMILY: symbol"><SPAN><FONT size=3>·</FONT><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal">
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Calibri>Governments</FONT></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P><FONT color=#000000
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>The liaisons role would be to be a bridge
into these communities to channel developments of what is happening within
these communities that are of relevance to civil society and also from time to
time raise the issues of civil society or broker and facilitate the process
through which these views can be heard. If there are people who feel they can
function in these roles, we need volunteers. This is to ensure that we know
what is happening at all times.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT
color=#000000 size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>The IGC has two options, we can utilize a
formal process and invite calls for nominations and have a NomCom make the
selection. On another note, we can maintain the informal ad hoc liaison
process that is currently in place. My personal preference is for the latter
to allow for volunteers who are consistent and command the respect of the
diverse communities.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>Given the current deadlines and politics
surrounding the 2014 Meeting in Brazil, I propose that we have <B>George
Sadowski </B>to act as liaison for us to the technical community. I am of the
view that we can have at least two to three liaisons as the Technical
Community is diverse and spread out between the ETSI, W3C, ITU-T, IETF, ICANN,
IAB, RIR etc. <SPAN> </SPAN>For now the liaison function can be limited
to the developments of the Rio engagement with room to evolve into identifying
issues affecting global public interest that civil society might want to
monitor in a consistent and cohesive manner. Whilst George is also a member of
the ICANN Board, I am not asking him as an ICANN Board member but as a member
of the IGC.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri><SPAN> </SPAN>If there are those that
wish to join George in this role, there is nothing stopping a list of
volunteers from being part of a team that condenses the issues in diverse
stratas and feeds it back into the IGC in a consolidated
manner.</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
face="Times New Roman"></FONT>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>As we engage in coming to the table to set
the Agenda, we need to do so intelligently and cohesively and in a coordinated
manner. This was one of the things raised in the meeting in
Bali-</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><FONT color=#000000 size=3
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>In the future as the IGC evolves, there is
space to develop a working group to focus on technical and policy stratas that
we may wish to organize our advocacies in. For a long while, advocacy has been
happening via individuals or groups that have pet topics and issues.
</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>Kind
Regards,</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT size=3><FONT
color=#000000><FONT face=Calibri>Sala</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT color=#000000
size=3 face=Calibri>(In my personal capacity)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><FONT color=#000000
size=3 face=Calibri>George Sadowski Profile and Biography</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>GEORGE SADOWSKY:
BIOGRAPHY</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>George Sadowsky is
currently a member of the Board of Directors of ICANN (Internet </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Corporation for
Assigned Names and Numbers) and a consultant to, inter alia, the World Wide
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Web Foundation and
NATO.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>He received an A.B.
degree with honors in Mathematics from Harvard College and M.A. and
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Ph.D. degrees in
Economics from Yale University. After spending 1958-1962 as an applied
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>mathematician and
programmer, his career concentrated on applying computers to economic
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>and social policy,
leading academic computing and networking organizations, and making
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>information and
communication technologies (ICTs) useful throughout the world. In 1963-64 he
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>introduced the use of
microsimulation for tax analysis purposes in the U.S. Treasury Department.
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>During 1966-1970 he
founded and directed the Computer Center at the Brookings Institution in
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Washington; from
1970-73 he did economic research at the Urban Institute leading to his Ph.D,
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>dissertation on the
subject of micro-analytic simulation of the household sector.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>During 1973-86 at the
United Nations, he supported the transfer of information technology to
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>developing countries.
He has done work in more than 50 developing countries and continues to
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>do so. Among other
things, he introduced the use of microcomputers for census data processing
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>in Africa in 1979, and
he worked in China during 1982-1986 supporting the computing activities
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>of their 1982 Census
of Population and Housing.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>From 1986 to 2001, he
directed academic computing and networking activities, first at </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Northwestern
University and then at New York University. He has been a consultant to the
U.S. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Treasury Department,
the U.S. Congressional Budget Office, UNDP, the Swiss Government,
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>and a number of
foundations. He was a Board member of AppliedTheory Corporation and was a
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Trustee of the
Corporation for Research and Educational Networking (CREN) and the New York
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>State Educational and
Research Network (NYSERNet). He was actively involved in World </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Bank activities during
1996-2002 as a member and Coordinator of the Technical Advisory </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Panel for the infoDev
program, as well as in UNDP and USAID activities. In 1994, he and Larry
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Landweber formulated
USAID's Leland Initiative for providing initial Internet connectivity
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>for 20 African
countries. He was a member of the Internet Society Board of Trustees
during</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>1996-1999 and
2000-2004 and served as Vice President for Conferences (1996-1998) and
Vice-<BR>President for Education (1998-2001). He headed a group of ISOC
volunteers who defined and</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>conducted the ISOC
Developing Country Network Training Workshops during 1993 -2001.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>More recently, he was
the Executive Director of the Global Internet Policy Initiative
(GIPI)</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>from 2001-2006, which
had active ongoing Internet policy reform projects in 17 countries. He
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>also served as Senior
Technical Adviser within USAID's dot-GOV program for the Internews
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Consortium, providing
ICT policy assistance to the developing world. He has served as an
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>expert witness for
litigation in the United Kingdom and the United States. He was a special
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>adviser to Nitin
Desai, the Chair of the UN Secretary-General's Internet Governance Forum
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>as well as to the
Chair of UN G@ID. He has served as a member of the PIR (Public Internet
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Registry) Advisory
Board, and he is currently a member of the ICANN (Internet Corporation for
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Assigned Names and
Numbers) Board of Directors He has written and lectured extensively on
</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN>Please refer to his
web site, <A
href="http://www.georgesadowsky.org/">http://www.georgesadowsky.org/</A> as
well as the GIPI web site, http://</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt"><SPAN><A
href="http://www.internetpolicy.net/">www.internetpolicy.net</A>, for
additional information.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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