<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>ICANN is part and parcel of the "wider internet ecology" .. you can't have an organization responsible for one of the fundamental underpinnings of the internet not being part and parcel of "the wider internet anything".<br><br>As for the rest of the speculation on motivations, my late grandmother used to say that someone with jaundice thinks the whole world is yellow. In other words, if you see political machinations behind anything and everything, it is likely that your entire world view revolves enough around political machinations, which tends to confer a sort of tunnel vision perspective, where each and every action is viewed as the symptom of a deep laid political plot.</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)<br><br></div><div>On 21-Nov-2013, at 11:17, parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many
of the actions of ICANN post-Fadi indicate a significant
shift in ICANN’s positioning within the overall Internet
ecology—from being a simple player among other players to a
self-initiated leadership role on behalf of the general
well-being of the Internet and of the Internet ecology
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The question is; how much of it is motivated by, and represents.
US's geopolitical interests...... US treats itself as the global
political capital, but is constrained by the UN-ish model of one
country one vote. (Democracy is always such a nuisance for the
elite!)... So it has been able to give such a UNish model, which
stand in its way in terms of legitimatizing global power, the bad
name of 'multilateralism'. US sees in big business, and the rising
(upper-ish) middle class of many developing countries (through civil
society entities most closely connected to these classes), solid
allies that can help legitimatize its global political power - with
some concessions thrown at them here and there.. This is why an
ICANNist 'multistakeholder' model of global governance serves it so
well. Many recent documents arising from US think tanks show this to
be a considered strategy of the US establishment ..... The main aim
of the current round of engagements around the proposed Brazil
meeting is to present the ICANN model of governance for substantive
public policy areas.... Once such a model is established in the
Internet space, it will be sought to be extended to other global
policy areas as well... Not that all, or even most, involved actors
from the I* space are deliberately following such a pre-mediated
path on the behest of the US. Nevertheless, this strong congruence
with US's political interests remains a key propelling force that is
giving energy to the push for ICANN model for addressing global
Internet related public policy issues. Or in other words, maybe
giving ICANN a role in te 'wider Internet ecology'. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many
are uneasy with this but if ICANN wishes to occupy that role
(and given their privileged financial position as
gatekeeper/rent extractor they are in a position to present
themselves for this) then they have an interest
in/responsibility for supporting the weakest link in that
multi-stakeholder Internet ecology i.e. Civil Society.
Whether or not there is criticism flowing between ICANN and
CS is overall irrelevant in this larger scheme of things. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
Suresh Ramasubramanian [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">mailto:suresh@hserus.net</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael
gurstein<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Networkworld: ICANN
Sets Up A Coalition to address new Internet governance
challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The second seems much more sustainable
long term. Or at least ICANN gets to choose which civil
society organizations it decides to fund. Funding an
organization that is entirely at cross purposes policy
wise with them, and/or seems to feel IG is best served by
attacking ICANN at every opportunity doesn't appear to
make as much sense as it should.<br>
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--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 21-Nov-2013, at 0:18, "michael gurstein" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m
thinking that if ICANN is so concerned to ensure a
broad base of interested parties to address Internet
Governance issues perhaps it could use some of it’s
“tax revenue” as the gate keeper to the Internet to
establish a fund to provide a solid and independent
base of funding support to help build and support
Civil Society in this area rather than, as appears
currently to be the case, attempting through
(selectively) widening the base of ICANN’s activity
(and perk/travel funding) to
absorb/incorporate/coopt leading elements of those
in Civil Society with an interest in/knowledge about
Internet Governance issues.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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