<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>That is ironic, to be honest.</div><div><br></div><div>There's a substantial cross section of civil society already active in ICANN - and that does not include just the technical community [which is also civil society, whether some here choose to believe it or not].</div><div><br></div><div>There is also a section of civil society that is much more vocal about the rights and entitlement of civil society - and yet denies the right of the technical community, and of technical organizations, to be called civil society. And still expects to continue receiving funding from a predominantly technical community driven process or organization.</div><div><br></div><div>My question would be whether some in civil society are focused on being the weakest link and then expecting aid and funding for the privilege of being so, from organizations that they appear to consider entirely hostile, judging by the tenor of each mailing list / blog post, tweet etc.</div><div><br></div><div>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 21-Nov-2013, at 10:57, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many of the actions of ICANN post-Fadi indicate a significant shift in ICANN’s positioning within the overall Internet ecology—from being a simple player among other players to a self-initiated leadership role on behalf of the general well-being of the Internet and of the Internet ecology overall. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Many are uneasy with this but if ICANN wishes to occupy that role (and given their privileged financial position as gatekeeper/rent extractor they are in a position to present themselves for this) then they have an interest in/responsibility for supporting the weakest link in that multi-stakeholder Internet ecology i.e. Civil Society. Whether or not there is criticism flowing between ICANN and CS is overall irrelevant in this larger scheme of things. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Suresh Ramasubramanian [<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">mailto:suresh@hserus.net</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 20, 2013 2:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; michael gurstein<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Networkworld: ICANN Sets Up A Coalition to address new Internet governance challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The second seems much more sustainable long term. Or at least ICANN gets to choose which civil society organizations it decides to fund. Funding an organization that is entirely at cross purposes policy wise with them, and/or seems to feel IG is best served by attacking ICANN at every opportunity doesn't appear to make as much sense as it should.<br><br>--srs (iPad)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 21-Nov-2013, at 0:18, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m thinking that if ICANN is so concerned to ensure a broad base of interested parties to address Internet Governance issues perhaps it could use some of it’s “tax revenue” as the gate keeper to the Internet to establish a fund to provide a solid and independent base of funding support to help build and support Civil Society in this area rather than, as appears currently to be the case, attempting through (selectively) widening the base of ICANN’s activity (and perk/travel funding) to absorb/incorporate/coopt leading elements of those in Civil Society with an interest in/knowledge about Internet Governance issues.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/111813-icann-sets-up-39coalition39-to-276037.html">http://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/111813-icann-sets-up-39coalition39-to-276037.html</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></body></html>