<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>Good points!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:100%">------------<br>C. A. Afonso</div></div> <br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Jean-Louis FULLSACK <jlfullsack@orange.fr> <br>Date: 15-11-2013 11:57 (GMT-03:00) <br>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org,"CarlosA.Afonso" <ca@cafonso.ca>,LouisPouzinwell <pouzin@well.com> <br>Subject: Re: [governance] EU Commissioner <br> <br><br><p> </p>
<p>dear carlos </p>
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<p>I do share all your arguments against cloud computing. I'd add another one, based on technical and networking aspects of the "cloud", which is particularly relevant -although not solely- for developing countries. It concerns network reliability which conditions the ability of any user for accessing his cloud stored data and tools. In Europe -the realm of "aunt Nelly"- network reliability (availability) is generally at a high standard. However even some well-known legacy networks were suffering severe breakdowns in the recent past (BT, SFR, FT, among others). A complementary aspect of this argument is the QoS that has to be at an appropriate standard over the time for guarantiing a regular dataflow between the user and the cloud server(s).</p>
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<p>But both of these issues are very problematic in DCs, and I specially consider Africa. In these countries electricity supply is poor -when it exists- and this interferes severely with both network availability and server availability. These arguments are generally ignored by those enthousiastic folks that officiate in so-called high level sessions of the WSIS Fora; probably do they have some reasons ...</p>
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<p>Best regards</p>
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<p>Jean-Louis Fullsack <br> <br><br><br><br></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #ff0000 2px solid;">> Message du 15/11/13 11:48<br>> De : "Carlos A. Afonso" <br>> A : governance@lists.igcaucus.org, "Louis Pouzin (well)" <br>> Copie à : <br>> Objet : Re: [governance] EU Commissioner<br>> <br>> My thoughts on cloud computing (or as a Japanese executive said to us in<br>> a debate here in Rio, "cRowd computing" -- the Japanese idiom does not<br>> have the "L" as much as the Chinese does not have the "R") or cloud<br>> storage is the fashion of the day in the industry. It is nothing more<br>> than doing your processing and/or storage in remote machines, in the<br>> hands of people you have to trust.<br>> <br>> Today storage and processing power are within reach of most<br>> organizations, so the problem which would motivate moving your data to<br>> in effect unknown whereabouts (you do know where the physical servers<br>> are when you hire cloud services, don't you?) is cost of trusted<br>> computer systemns admins and cost of software licensing. The second can<br>> be solved by using FOSS. The first is the Achiles heel for most<br>> companies: today is probably the most expensive component for<br>> maintaining servers & systems in house.<br>> <br>> So you would trust more a remote server service (which you don't even<br>> know where it is located, who is managing, who has access to the<br>> passwords, how the links to these servers are effectively protected, is<br>> the cloud services owner doing data-mining on your data?, is the data<br>> stored in an encrypted form which guarantees outsiders or the local<br>> admin have no way to peek into it?, has the owner been forced by NSA or<br>> CGHQ to open up the servers' innards for them?, has the owner accepted<br>> payments from these agencies for opening things up? etc etc etc) than a<br>> local installation under your control (whatever the vulnerabilities of<br>> your control)? I would not.<br>> <br>> Just now M$ was forced to disclose to the EU that its pipes linking its<br>> cloud centers are not encrypted. OK, would it make any difference if<br>> they were encrypted but M$ has that contract with NSA which etc etc?<br>> <br>> Cloud c & s would make some good sense in a world of saints. But we live<br>> in a real world of demons, to put it in a Machiavellian form.<br>> <br>> Sorry, aunt Neelie...<br>> <br>> --c.a.<br>> <br>> On 11/14/2013 10:09 PM, Louis Pouzin (well) wrote:<br>> > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" <<br>> > wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de> wrote:<br>> > <br>> >><br>> >> http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-13-922_en.htm<br>> >><br>> >> W<br>> >><br>> >> When .eu was launched in 2005, it was touted as providing a trusted space.<br>> > Eight years later we get the same song with the cloud.<br>> > When will the nebula be launched :-))<br>> > Louis<br>> > - - -<br>> > <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________________<br>> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br>> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>> To be removed from the list, visit:<br>> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<br>> <br>> For all other list information and functions, see:<br>> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<br>> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br>> http://www.igcaucus.org/<br>> <br>> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t<br>></blockquote></body>