<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">Adam Peake <<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> An announcement from Brazil about the meeting is expected any time<br>
> now. Please do not send any letter until the Brazilian government's<br>
> plans are clear.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">[with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
<br>
</div>ACK.<br>
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I'm pretty sure that even if we go forward as quickly as reasonably<br>
possible with resolving that opposition "on principle" against the<br>
appointment of four civil society liaisons through an informal<br>
in-person process in Bali, that resolution process will in any case<br>
not be complete before we have news from the Brazilian government.<br></blockquote><div><br>+1<br></div><div>This is a process and will take a couple days. Let's not keep on holding everything back, including decision-making processes, till the last minute or the lightest shade of gray be illuminated.<br>
<br></div><div>m.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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> On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br>
><br>
> > [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
> ><br>
> > Is there any way for this opposition "on principle" to be reconciled<br>
> > with the intention behind to proposed letter on the role of the<br>
> > liaisons?<br>
> ><br>
> > If not, full consensus will clearly not be possible on this matter,<br>
> > and it may be appropriate to use the rough consensus process.<br>
> ><br>
> > There was very strong support for what this letter has been<br>
> > proposed to express among the IGC members who participated in<br>
> > person in the relevant discussions in Bali.<br>
> ><br>
> > The rough consensus process which is explicitly allowed by the IGC<br>
> > Charter could be implemented for example by means of using online<br>
> > polling software to determine whether there is an overwhelming<br>
> > majority of IGC members in support of such a letter. According to<br>
> > the Charter, such a rough consensus poll has to run at least 48<br>
> > hours, then the coordinators would jointly decide to interpret the<br>
> > result as "rough consensus" or not. (That is of course a decision<br>
> > that can be appealed if desired.)<br>
> ><br>
> > But we should certainly discuss the matter first.<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> > Norbert<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> I will oppose this on principle as drawing any sort of artificial<br>
> >> distinction between the technical community and civil society is<br>
> >> counterproductive in the long run.<br>
> >><br>
> >> --srs (iPad)<br>
> >><br>
> >>> On 14-Nov-2013, at 15:29, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Jeremy Malcolm <<a href="mailto:jeremy@ciroap.org">jeremy@ciroap.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> On 14/11/13 12:00, parminder wrote:<br>
> >>>>>> Once again, as suggested by Matthew, I do believe a formal<br>
> >>>>>> letter nominating and explaining our role as liasons, and not<br>
> >>>>>> representatives, for International Civil Society for<br>
> >>>>>> information regarding the Summit will be good to legitimate<br>
> >>>>>> and help our job here.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> A formal letter naming our liaisons and making it clear that<br>
> >>>>> global civil society would want to use this mechanism to<br>
> >>>>> coordinate its role in the proposed Brazil meeting and not go<br>
> >>>>> through 1net or any other tehcnical community led interface is<br>
> >>>>> of the highest priority at this stage. Dont want to get into<br>
> >>>>> I-told-you-so mode, but I have been insisting that we did that<br>
> >>>>> first and in clear terms since our earliest meetings in Bali. If<br>
> >>>>> we have got such a communication through in clear terms, maybe<br>
> >>>>> our four reps would have been there at the above meeting. At<br>
> >>>>> least if they werent invited we could have protested...<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Draft letter is here: <a href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/brazil-reps" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/brazil-reps</a><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Looks good to me.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Greetings,<br>
> >>> Norbert<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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