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<DIV>well, we all read things differently and have different opinions.</DIV>
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<DIV>I thought the description of the evolution of internet usage and related
security as a battle between individual elements, including rogue gangs such as
Anonymous and cybercriminal groups, and slower moving but eventually more
powerful users such as corporations and governments (described as feudal
powers), was quite interesting. A couple of my favourite quotes for those who
wont bother to read the article:</DIV>
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color=#333333 face=Georgia>“Medieval feudalism evolved into a more balanced
relationship in which lords had responsibilities as well as rights. Today’s
Internet feudalism is both ad-hoc and one-sided. Those in power have a lot of
rights, but increasingly few responsibilities or limits. We need to rebalance
this relationship.”</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#333333 face=Georgia>“Data is the pollution problem of the information
age. All computer processes produce it. It stays around. How we deal with it—how
we reuse and recycle it, who has access to it, how we dispose of it, and what
laws regulate it—is central to how the information age functions. And I believe
that just as we look back at the early decades of the industrial age and wonder
how society could ignore pollution in their rush to build an industrial world,
our grandchildren will look back at us during these early decades of the
information age and judge us on how we dealt with the rebalancing of power
resulting from all this new data.”</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=suresh@hserus.net
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">Suresh Ramasubramanian</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 03, 2013 7:08 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A> ;
<A title=ian.peter@ianpeter.com href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">Ian
Peter</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] The Battle for Power on the
Internet Bruce Schneier</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>I did. I tend to find schneier's commentary more calculated to gain press
quotes and retweets rather than make serious points on a nuanced situation.</P>
<P>Security theater is a favorite phrase of his, generally used to deride bogus
security, and it is a tactic that he uses more than often possibly on a fight
fire with fire basis. </P>
<P>English isn't my first language either, with all due respect. If M. Pouzin
wishes, he might want to express his thoughts again in French, if you feel
there's a communication gap here. </P>
<P>--srs (htc one x)<BR></P>
<P>On 2 November 2013 3:41:09 PM "Ian Peter" <IAN.PETER @IANPETER.COM>wrote:</P>
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<DIV>I suggest read the article before commenting and complaining Suresh. You
might find the term gangs more appropriate if you do; and even if you dont
agree with the use of the term after reading the article, you mind make
allowances for the nuances involved in use of words by those for whom English
is a second language.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=suresh@hserus.net
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">Suresh Ramasubramanian</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:16 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A>
; <A title=pouzin@well.com href="mailto:pouzin@well.com">Louis Pouzin
(well)</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] FW: [IP] The Battle for Power on the
Internet Bruce Schneier</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P>I must draw the attention of the co cos to this as I find this
objectionable and insulting </P>
<P>You are not talking about gangs here</P>
<P>--srs (htc one x)<BR></P>
<P>On 2 November 2013 2:49:37 PM "Louis Pouzin (well)" <POUZIN
@WELL.COM>wrote:</P>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Very well thought out. Massive relevance to present internet
power gangs.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_extra>Louis<BR>- - -<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:04 AM, michael gurstein
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com"
target=_blank>gurstein@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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reading the whole article. Lot's of relevance to
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> David Farber
[mailto:<A href="mailto:farber@gmail.com"
target=_blank>farber@gmail.com</A>] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 26,
2013 3:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> ip<BR><B>Subject:</B> [IP] The Battle for Power
on the Internet Bruce Schneier</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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href="http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/the-battle-for-power-on-the-internet/280824/"
target=_blank>http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/the-battle-for-power-on-the-internet/280824/</A></SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Atlantic</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The Battle
for Power on the Internet</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Bruce
Schneier Oct 24 2013, 7:07 AM ET</SPAN><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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