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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 24 October 2013 06:18 AM,
William Drake wrote:<br>
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<div apple-content-edited="true">Despite Chris' wording, I don't
view this effort as a power grab, a framing that seems to
suggest that there's fixed pie of power (?) that one group
wishes to take at the expense of others. Fadi went to Dilma,
they talked and agreed to hold a multistakeholder meeting with
yet to be fully agreed goals, and he came to the people he knows
and said ok we need to get organized and have an open coalition
that goes beyond us to include people who favor MS processes
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It wpuld be ok if we knew what is meant by MS processes, and
specifically, is there any plan here to do global public policy
development in substantive areas like norms/ guidelines/ legal
frameworks for privacy, net neutrality, taxation issues around cross
border e-com, competition issues, and the so many other areas of
public policy areas.... Or is it just about technical management of
the Internet, whether or not that includes oversight issue or not. <br>
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The recent ICANN initiative, which I strongly feel is tactically
backed by the US gov (if it did not originate there), strongly
suggests extending ICANN model to other substantive policy areas...
That is the main thrust... And people need to know about such basic
issues before they can join or not. I specially asked Chris about
it during the meeting, and his response clearly implied that it was
about these other substantive public policy issues. That would be a
big shift from what many people see as the legitimate role of ICANN
like MS models in global IG governance.. MS ism of the kind OECD
practices in its Internet policy making is of course a different
issue, and that is welcome and should be adopted more widely.<br>
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To make the issue clearer by providing a contrast: if one gets up
today and declares, all those who support democratic processes in
global IG, come join us, would you for instance join that group,
without asking further questions. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div apple-content-edited="true"> Hence the meeting was meeting
was open and you were there to voice your concerns. If you
decide you don't want to coordinate with the people involved in
that effort you can try to organize your own relationship to the
Brazil meeting. But surely that doesn't mean that those who do
shouldn't be able to.</div>
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<div apple-content-edited="true">Since "their" meeting was open
and "we" were invited to get involved, why do "we" need to have
a private meeting from which "they" are excluded?</div>
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----<br>
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Auftrag von Jeremy Malcolm<br>
Gesendet: Mi 23.10.2013 10:57<br>
An: Bits <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Betreff: [governance] Ad hoc Best Bits strategy
meeting tomorrow lunchtime<br>
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I haven't had a chance to write about the
technical community meeting that took place at
lunchtime today, but it felt (to me) like an
astonishing power-grab in progress - they are
forming a new coalition that will create a
"grassroots" campaign, with the pre-determined
objective of reasserting the primacy of "the"
multi-stakeholder model against
"government-centric" models.. The summit has
been downplayed - it is now no longer a summit
but just a "meeting", and Brazil has been told
that its objectives should not be to create
solutions. Chris Disspain stressed that the
meeting is "not the end game", and that "we seem
to have the reins of that meeting, we need to
keep hold of those reins." The overall approach
really chilled me - it was like the WCIT
campaign on steroids, asserting a clear
leadership role for the technical community, and
at a time like this, it is totally misplaced and
ill-advised.<br>
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So, firstly, we need to strategise urgently
about our response. This will need to happen
in private, so - sorry to lurkers from other
stakeholder groups - those in Bali will be
having a private meeting tomorrow from
1-2:30pm in room Uluwatu 2, also known as
Bilateral 6. Thanks to Gene and Matthew for
suggesting and helping arrange the meeting.<br>
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Second, can we launch our letter on the summit
a little early? I'll ask the meeting tomorrow
to make a final call, but for those who are
not in Bali, please let me know whether you
have any objection to us opening this for
endorsements tomorrow, rather than on Friday:<br>
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We, the undersigned organizations and
individuals from around the world, committed
to the development of an open Internet and its
use for advancing human rights, express our
hope and expectation that the Internet
governance summit in Brazil in 2014
incorporate a multistakeholder model of agenda
setting, participation and decision making
from its inception.<br>
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This requires:<br>
The event should discuss what Internet
governance architecture is required to support
an inclusive, people-centric,
development-oriented information society. We
believe that this requires at the very minimum
that such a structure is democratic, in that
it should be inclusive of all countries and
all stakeholders, and that it protects and
promotes human rights.<br>
The full participation of civil society
stakeholders in planning and in the meeting
should be guaranteed and resourced.<br>
A strengthened Internet Governance Forum could
play a role in the future Internet governance
arrangements to be discussed at the event,
and it should be linked with the CSTD WGEC
process as appropriate.<br>
The event should extend beyond good will
speeches or presentations of good intentions
and seek to produce actionable outputs in line
with the initial motivations for organizing
the summit, to which all stakeholders will
commit. Modalities should be developed to
allow all stakeholders, including remote
participants, to participate on an equal
footing from the preparatory process to final
outputs.<br>
We stress that opening doors for more
stakeholders to attend meetings is not
sufficient. Multistakeholderism has been used
with a variety of meanings, sometimes only
referring to a very limited kind of openness
and consultation. If the goal is to achieve
an open, inclusive and participatory debate,
more is needed to ensure meaningful civil
society participation.</div>
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University of Zurich, Switzerland<br>
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