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<font face="Verdana">As I sit in the 'role of govs' main session, I
see no reason really why three people in 'positions' </font>here
- panel or as moderators - from civil society - one speaker and two
moderators, should all be from developed countries.... <br>
<br>
I did put that question at the MAG open consultations in Paris
earlier this year - about domination of speakers from developed
countries, but nothing much seems to change...<br>
<br>
In front of me on the panel, apart from the MAG Chair, three people
from developed countries, one Indian who is AT & T employee,
which I take to be his primary 'interest representation' , and just
one person from developing countries, and two moderators from
developed countries..<br>
<br>
Figure, all people from developing countries has still to do a lot
of capacity building... I understand a lot of 'IG' money is being
poured by developed countries into developing countires, ans so
thanks very much...<br>
<br>
Maybe around 2050, we would have sufficient capacity (and dominant
ideology) build up to be given some kind of consideration of equity
in global spaces...<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, to all UN baiters, this would never happen in a UN
meeting...<br>
<i><b><br>
</b> </i><i>I will keep raising these question, which some take
to be embarrassing, because I take it to be my political duty</i>
<i>to do so</i>... and so personal apologies to all involved. <br>
<br>
parminder<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 22 October 2013 08:58 AM,
michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm
sure that everyone is heartened to hear this but dare I say
that your statement <b><i>"I made a conscious effort to
stay off the focus sessions this year and I believe
other MAG CS people did too</i></b>" is precisely the
problem. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">What
sort of a governance/management process is operative in the
MAG/IGF where the already designated 5 or so members of the
"MAG crowd" have to "make a conscious decision" and show
sufficienr personal forebearance not to occupy all the
places in public forums.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Surely
the issue is that there should be processes in place that
ensure that other voices are brought to the surface as a
matter of course and of effective procedural management.,
not of sufferance or beneficence. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">M
<span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
William Drake [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net>">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> michael gurstein<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re [bestbits] [africs-ig] Civil Society
speaker: IGF Opening ceremony - Nnenna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Palatino","serif";color:black">Let's
try this again from a subscribed account….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">William
Drake <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Subject:
Re: [bestbits] [africs-ig] Civil Society speaker: IGF
Opening ceremony - Nnenna</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Date:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">October
22, 2013 9:29:28 AM GMT+08:00</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">To:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">michael
gurstein <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Cc:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">"Esterhuysen,
Anriette" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>>,
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>,
Nnenna <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nne75@yahoo.com">nne75@yahoo.com</a>></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mike<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm not subscribed to the two
Africa-oriented lists you copied but feel free to
forward this if you like.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:35 AM,
michael gurstein <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
must say that I disagree with a public
endorsement of the IGF as "THE" whatever… It may
be "THE" something or other but only for lack of
a better alternative. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's agree to disagree on this<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
can't do the reckoning for this IGF (the way the
program is set up) but by my count from the last
IGF the (CS and to a slightly lesser degree for
the other stakeholders) presentations in the
Workshops and particularly plenaries consisted
to an overwhelming and truly astonishing degree
of the same half dozen CS characters (lets call
them the MAG crowd) over and over again to the
point of exhaustion, likely of them but
certainly of anyone wanting to hear any fresh
(and/or critical) perspectives. (Is it the case
that a world with roughly 2 billion Internet
users can only turn up a half dozen people to
speak on its behalf at one yearly gabfest after
another?)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Criticizing this year's program
based on last year's doesn't seem entirely fair. I
made a conscious effort to stay off the focus
sessions this year and I believe other MAG CS people
did too. In consequence, the numbers don't seem to
entirely match what you're saying.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Opening Ceremony<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>no MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Building Bridges FS: <span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>no MAG CS, except the remote moderator, not a
panelist<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IG Principles FS<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>no MAG CS (I dropped out)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Principles of Multistakeholder
Cooperation FS<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>No MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Legal and other Frameworks FS<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>No MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Internet as an engine for growth
FS<span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>No MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Human rights, freedom of expression FS<span
class="apple-tab-span"> </span>No
MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Taking Stock / Emerging Issues FS<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>No MAG CS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Open Microphone Session 1<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>two MAG, not CS though<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Closing Ceremony<span
class="apple-tab-span">
</span>no speakers listed but a CS rep TBD<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Workshops may be different,
people on the MAG have as much right to propose
something as anyone else. Nevertheless, I believe
some of these were turned down in the MAG review,
and given the number of events I don't think
attendees are really left with no choice but to hear
the apparently old stale ideas of people who happen
to be on the MAG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It would of course be good to
have more workshops proposed by non-usual suspects
and I think there was a decent supply of these this
year. But if you think more needs to be done,
please get out there and recruit newbies rather than
criticizing previous attendees for having the
temerity to want to do something at the event.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
may be a "dialogue" going on, but if it is a
dialogue it is one that is stretching now over
decades rather than (for example bridging
generations, or social or economic divides, or
cultural backgrounds and interests) and one of
the reasons that the Brazil initiative is
required and is so challenging is that it (at
least to this point) isn't confined to the usual
cast of (unrepresentative) characters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
fervently hopes that it will not be captured by
the IGF and that it does lead to a meaningful
set of on-going processes that actually address
significant and critical issues rather than
wraps them in repetitiive (and dare I say deeply
suspect) cotton batten and most importantly
looks towards democratic processes as the basis
for in its initiatives rather than
"Multistakeholder" ones, upon which we are still
awaiting any useful definition or set of norms
and procedures.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let
this race go to the swiftest…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a
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class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Anriette
Esterhuysen<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday,
October 22, 2013 1:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>AfriCS-IG<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span
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Nnenna Nwakanma<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span
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Re: [africs-ig] Civil Society speaker: IGF
Opening ceremony - Nnenna</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear NN<br>
<br>
So happy you are doing this.<br>
<br>
Just a few suggestions below, if possible. Take or
leave and good luck. You will be fantastic!<br>
<br>
Anriette<br>
<br>
<br>
The centrality of human rights<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1
lfo1">Multistakeholder participation o<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1
lfo1">Ongoing work on enhanced cooperation<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Would
be good to mention importance of civil society.
Any approach to EC that focuses oncooperation
between governments at the expense of cooperation
among all stakeholders will not be sustainable.<span
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2">Not losing the "development focus" of IG<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2">The "not-ended" battle of Internet
access and affordability<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1
lfo2">The urgent need to reinforce teh
capacity and efficiency of MS IG processes at
national levels<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Would
be good to mention the IGF. It has become THE most
importance milestone along the road to more
transparent and consistent dialogue among
stakeholders. It is a bit like the tortoise and
the hare story.. perhaps ICANN/Brazil's initiative
is working fast, and thinks it will win the race..
but that is also what the hare thought. The IGF
process is like the tortoise.. yes, it is slow,
but it is consistent, reliable, not fully
inclusive but more inclusive than most processes.
The hare should not underestimate it.<br>
<br>
BUT - IGF needs capacity - at leadership and
secretariat level. It would be very short sighted
if resources are spent on new processes that could
be spent on the IGF's improvement,, continuity and
sustainability.<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1
lfo3">Brazil 2014?<o:p></o:p></li>
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Sort of covered above. But there are many points
from other CS discussions on this. I think we
should say we look forward to it being strategic
rather than just opportunistic: 1) strategic in
its agenda setting and 2) in how it facilitates
participation and 3) in how it positions itself in
relation to other processes like the IGF, and the
UN CSTD EC working group, and the WSIS +10
process. it would be a pity the Brazil 2014
efforts did not achieve its potential because of
either lack of legitimacy, or not being focused
enough in its agenda setting.<span
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1
lfo4">Surveillance?<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">From
the APC 2013 IGF brief:<span
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Revelations about mass surveillance and data
collection by the US National Security<br>
Agency (NSA) has shaken the internet community and
undermined the legitimacy of<br>
actors from government and business who had
positioned themselves as leaders of the<br>
“internet freedom” movement. [snip]<br>
The most positive – and challenging – outcomes of
these disturbing revelations can be<br>
built on by the IGF. Firstly, awareness of how
internet policy and regulation affects all<br>
users is now much more widespread and talked about
in global media. Secondly, it cannot<br>
be ignored that while public debate is flourishing
at the IGF and internet freedom events<br>
around the world, there is, in the shadows,
another internet governance universe: one that<br>
is secret, that follows the rule of law very
selectively, or not at all. A universe in which<br>
powerful governments can ask powerful internet
companies to comply with rules that are<br>
not public, not known, not even to the elected
representatives of those governments, not<br>
to mention the shareholders of those companies, or
the staff members of those<br>
administrations working hard to promote human
rights on the internet, transparency and<br>
multi-stakeholder participation in global internet
governance.<br>
The IGF is a space where the internet community
can let off steam, confront one another<br>
(surely that is why we come together in
multi-stakeholder spaces?), and identify how to<br>
move forward to restore trust in internet
governance as a process, and an ecosystem<br>
made up of institutions, actors, analysts and
activists. Complacency is not an option."<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>All for now<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Nnenna<o:p></o:p></p>
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