<div dir="ltr">Please keep raising those questions. There is no need to apologize in a CS forum for raising questions about equity in representation.<br>Thanks <div><br></div><div>mawaki <br><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:24 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
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    <font face="Verdana">As I sit in the 'role of govs' main session, I
      see no reason really why three people in 'positions' </font>here 
    - panel or as moderators - from civil society - one speaker and two
    moderators, should all be from developed countries.... <br>
    <br>
    I did put that question at the MAG open consultations in Paris
    earlier this year - about domination of speakers from developed
    countries, but nothing much seems to change...<br>
    <br>
    In front of me on the panel, apart from the MAG Chair, three people
    from developed countries, one Indian who is AT & T employee,
    which I take to be his primary 'interest representation' , and just
    one person from developing countries, and two moderators from
    developed countries..<br>
    <br>
    Figure, all people from developing countries has still to do a lot
    of capacity building... I understand a lot of 'IG' money is being
    poured by developed countries into developing countires, ans so
    thanks very much...<br>
    <br>
    Maybe around 2050, we would have sufficient capacity (and dominant
    ideology) build up to be given some kind of consideration of equity
    in global spaces...<br>
    <br>
    Meanwhile, to all UN baiters, this would never happen in a UN
    meeting...<br>
    <i><b><br>
      </b> </i><i>I will keep raising these question, which some take
      to be embarrassing, because I take it to be my political duty</i>
    <i>to do so</i>... and so personal apologies to all involved. <br><span class=""><font color="#888888">
    <br>
    parminder</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On Tuesday 22 October 2013 08:58 AM,
      michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Bill,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I'm

            sure that everyone is heartened to hear this but dare I say
            that your statement <b><i>"I made a conscious effort to
                stay off the focus sessions this year and I believe
                other MAG CS people did too</i></b>" is precisely the
            problem. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">What

            sort of a governance/management process is operative in the
            MAG/IGF where the already designated 5 or so members of the
            "MAG crowd" have to "make a conscious decision" and show
            sufficienr personal forebearance not to occupy all the
            places in public forums.. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Surely

            the issue is that there should be processes in place that
            ensure that other voices are brought to the surface as a
            matter of course and of effective procedural management.,
            not of sufferance or beneficence. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">M
             <span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">
                William Drake [<a href="mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch" target="_blank">mailto:william.drake@uzh.ch</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 22, 2013 10:29 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>
                <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net&gt</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> michael gurstein<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re [bestbits] [africs-ig] Civil Society
                speaker: IGF Opening ceremony - Nnenna<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Palatino,serif">Let's

                        try this again from a subscribed account….<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Begin forwarded message:<u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">From:

                </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">William

                Drake <<a href="mailto:wjdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">wjdrake@gmail.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Subject:

                  Re: [bestbits] [africs-ig] Civil Society speaker: IGF
                  Opening ceremony - Nnenna</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Date:

                </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">October

                22, 2013 9:29:28 AM GMT+08:00</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">To:

                </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">michael

                gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">Cc:

                </span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif">"Esterhuysen,

                Anriette" <<a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank">anriette@apc.org</a>>,

                <a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>,
                Nnenna <<a href="mailto:nne75@yahoo.com" target="_blank">nne75@yahoo.com</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mike<u></u><u></u></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">I'm not subscribed to the two
                Africa-oriented lists you copied but feel free to
                forward this if you like.<u></u><u></u></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:35 AM,
                    michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>>

                    wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                        must say that I disagree with a public
                        endorsement of the IGF as "THE" whatever… It may
                        be "THE" something or other but only for lack of
                        a better alternative. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <p class="MsoNormal">Let's agree to disagree on this<u></u><u></u></p>
              </div>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
                        can't do the reckoning for this IGF (the way the
                        program is set up) but by my count from the last
                        IGF the (CS and to a slightly lesser degree for
                        the other stakeholders) presentations in the
                        Workshops and particularly plenaries consisted
                        to an overwhelming and truly astonishing degree
                        of the same half dozen CS characters (lets call
                        them the MAG crowd) over and over again to the
                        point of exhaustion, likely of them but
                        certainly of anyone wanting to hear any fresh
                        (and/or critical) perspectives. (Is it the case
                        that a world with roughly 2 billion Internet
                        users can only turn up a half dozen people to
                        speak on its behalf at one yearly gabfest after
                        another?)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Criticizing this year's  program
                    based on last year's doesn't seem entirely fair.  I
                    made a conscious effort to stay off the focus
                    sessions this year and I believe other MAG CS people
                    did too.  In consequence, the numbers don't seem to
                    entirely match what you're saying.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Opening Ceremony<span>                                                                            

                    </span>no MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Building Bridges FS: <span>                                                            

                    </span>no MAG CS, except the remote moderator, not a
                    panelist<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">IG Principles FS<span>                                                                                 

                    </span>no MAG CS (I dropped out)<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Principles of Multistakeholder
                    Cooperation FS<span>         
                    </span>No MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Legal and other Frameworks FS<span>                                            

                    </span>No MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Internet as an engine for growth
                    FS<span>                          

                    </span>No MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                    Human rights, freedom of expression FS<span>                   </span>No

                    MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Taking Stock / Emerging Issues FS<span>                           
                    </span>No MAG CS<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Open Microphone Session 1<span>                                                  

                    </span>two MAG, not CS though<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Closing Ceremony<span>                                                                             

                    </span>no speakers listed but a CS rep TBD<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Workshops may be different,
                    people on the MAG have as much right to propose
                    something as anyone else.  Nevertheless, I believe
                    some of these were turned down in the MAG review,
                    and given the number of events I don't think
                    attendees are really left with no choice but to hear
                    the apparently old stale ideas of people who happen
                    to be on the MAG.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal">It would of course be good to
                    have more workshops proposed by non-usual suspects
                    and I think there was a decent supply of these this
                    year.  But if you think more needs to be done,
                    please get out there and recruit newbies rather than
                    criticizing previous attendees for having the
                    temerity to want to do something at the event.<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Bill<u></u><u></u></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">There

                        may be a "dialogue" going on, but if it is a
                        dialogue it is one that is stretching now over
                        decades rather than (for example bridging
                        generations, or social or economic divides, or
                        cultural backgrounds and interests) and one of
                        the reasons that the Brazil initiative is
                        required and is so challenging is that it (at
                        least to this point) isn't confined to the usual
                        cast of (unrepresentative) characters.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">One

                        fervently hopes that it will not be captured by
                        the IGF and that it does lead to a meaningful
                        set of on-going processes that actually address
                        significant and critical issues rather than
                        wraps them in repetitiive (and dare I say deeply
                        suspect) cotton batten and most importantly
                        looks towards democratic processes as the basis
                        for in its initiatives rather than
                        "Multistakeholder" ones, upon which we are still
                        awaiting any useful definition or set of norms
                        and procedures.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Let

                        this race go to the swiftest…</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">M</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits-request@lists.bestbits.net</a>
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                              Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Anriette

                            Esterhuysen<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span> </span>Tuesday,

                            October 22, 2013 1:07 AM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span> </span>AfriCS-IG<br>
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                            <a href="mailto:africann@afrinic.net" target="_blank">africann@afrinic.net</a>;
                            Nnenna Nwakanma<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[bestbits]

                            Re: [africs-ig] Civil Society speaker: IGF
                            Opening ceremony - Nnenna</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Dear NN<br>
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                      So happy you are doing this.<br>
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                      Just a few suggestions below, if possible. Take or
                      leave and good luck. You will be fantastic!<br>
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                      Anriette<br>
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                      The centrality of human rights<u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <li class="MsoNormal">Multistakeholder participation o<u></u><u></u></li>
                        <li class="MsoNormal">Ongoing work on enhanced cooperation<u></u><u></u></li>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Would

                      be good to mention importance of civil society.
                      Any approach to EC that focuses oncooperation
                      between governments at the expense of cooperation
                      among all stakeholders will not be sustainable.<span> </span><br>
                      <br>
                      <u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <li class="MsoNormal">Not losing the "development focus" of IG<u></u><u></u></li>
                        <li class="MsoNormal">The "not-ended" battle of Internet
                          access and affordability<u></u><u></u></li>
                        <li class="MsoNormal">The urgent need to reinforce teh
                          capacity and efficiency of MS IG processes at
                          national levels<u></u><u></u></li>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Would

                      be good to mention the IGF. It has become THE most
                      importance milestone along the road to more
                      transparent and consistent dialogue among
                      stakeholders. It is a bit like the tortoise and
                      the hare story.. perhaps ICANN/Brazil's initiative
                      is working fast, and thinks it will win the race..
                      but that is also what the hare thought. The IGF
                      process is like the tortoise.. yes, it is slow,
                      but it is consistent, reliable, not fully
                      inclusive but more inclusive than most processes.
                      The hare should not underestimate it.<br>
                      <br>
                      BUT - IGF needs capacity - at leadership and
                      secretariat level. It would be very short sighted
                      if resources are spent on new processes that could
                      be spent on the IGF's improvement,, continuity and
                      sustainability.<span> </span><br>
                      <br>
                      <u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <li class="MsoNormal">Brazil 2014?<u></u><u></u></li>
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                      Sort of covered above.  But there are many points
                      from other CS discussions on this. I think we
                      should say we look forward to it being strategic
                      rather than just opportunistic: 1) strategic in
                      its agenda setting and 2) in how it facilitates
                      participation and 3) in how it positions itself in
                      relation to other processes like the IGF, and the
                      UN CSTD EC working group, and the WSIS +10
                      process. it would be a pity the Brazil 2014
                      efforts did not achieve its potential because of
                      either lack of legitimacy, or not being focused
                      enough in its agenda setting.<span> </span><br>
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                      <u></u><u></u></p>
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                        <li class="MsoNormal">Surveillance?<u></u><u></u></li>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">From

                      the APC 2013 IGF brief:<span> </span><br>
                      <br>
                      Revelations about mass surveillance and data
                      collection by the US National Security<br>
                      Agency (NSA) has shaken the internet community and
                      undermined the legitimacy of<br>
                      actors from government and business who had
                      positioned themselves as leaders of the<br>
                      “internet freedom” movement.  [snip]<br>
                      The most positive – and challenging – outcomes of
                      these disturbing revelations can be<br>
                      built on by the IGF. Firstly, awareness of how
                      internet policy and regulation affects all<br>
                      users is now much more widespread and talked about
                      in global media. Secondly, it cannot<br>
                      be ignored that while public debate is flourishing
                      at the IGF and internet freedom events<br>
                      around the world, there is, in the shadows,
                      another internet governance universe: one that<br>
                      is secret, that follows the rule of law very
                      selectively, or not at all. A universe in which<br>
                      powerful governments can ask powerful internet
                      companies to comply with rules that are<br>
                      not public, not known, not even to the elected
                      representatives of those governments, not<br>
                      to mention the shareholders of those companies, or
                      the staff members of those<br>
                      administrations working hard to promote human
                      rights on the internet, transparency and<br>
                      multi-stakeholder participation in global internet
                      governance.<br>
                      The IGF is a space where the internet community
                      can let off steam, confront one another<br>
                      (surely that is why we come together in
                      multi-stakeholder spaces?), and identify how to<br>
                      move forward to restore trust in internet
                      governance as a process, and an ecosystem<br>
                      made up of institutions, actors, analysts and
                      activists. Complacency is not an option."<br>
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                      <u></u><u></u></p>
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                            <p>All for now<u></u><u></u></p>
                            <p> <u></u><u></u></p>
                            <p>Nnenna<u></u><u></u></p>
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                  <pre>anriette esterhuysen <a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">anriette@apc.org</span></a><u></u><u></u></pre>
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