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face=Arial><FONT style="FONT-SIZE: 11.3pt" color=#444444>Let us also not forget
that ICANN and its oversight are the main topic of the
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color=#444444 face=Arial>Is there some specific background to this claim? Is
this really a conference specifically about ICANN oversight (and if it is, do we
really think that is a good idea given other current
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org
href="mailto:bkuerbis@internetgovernance.org">Brenden Kuerbis</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 17, 2013 2:20 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A> ;
<A title=NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu
href="mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu">NCSG-DISCUSS@listserv.syr.edu</A> ;
<A title=kichango@gmail.com href="mailto:kichango@gmail.com">Mawaki Chango</A>
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<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=bestbits@lists.bestbits.net
href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</A>
; <A title=nb@bollow.ch href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">Norbert Bollow</A> ; <A
title=anja@internetdemocracy.in href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in">Anja
Kovacs</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade:
Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_extra>Hello,<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Mawaki Chango <SPAN
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<DIV>4. Lastly, please note that a more substantive document (including CS
proposed agenda) coming out of Bali should be addressed to both President
Rousseff and Chair & CEO Chehade.</DIV>
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<DIV>Apologies for the cross-post.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>I'll take no position on the IGC crafting a letter. But moving
beyond asserting civ soc's intention to shape the agenda of the Rio event and to
Mawaki's last point, the IGP has posted some ideas for a proposed agenda. It
includes specific, executable steps that can be taken to move ICANN away from
unilateral oversight:</DIV>
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target=_blank>http://www.internetgovernance.org/2013/10/16/a-blueprint-for-the-future-oversight-of-icann/</A>
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<DIV>---------------------------------------<BR>Brenden Kuerbis<BR>Internet
Governance Project<BR><A href="http://internetgovernance.org/"
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<DIV class=h5>On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Norbert Bollow <SPAN
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<DIV>Anja Kovacs <<A href="mailto:anja@internetdemocracy.in"
target=_blank>anja@internetdemocracy.in</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> I do want
to<BR>> make it explicit, however, that this has not changed my stance
and<BR>> that I remain as unconvinced of these arguments as
before.<BR><BR></DIV>*nod* You have made your view on this abundantly
clear.<BR>
<DIV><BR>> Let me maybe use this opportunity, though, to add two more
points<BR>> about the process. Many might decide to keep quiet on the
consensus<BR>> call for the proposed statement, but as so many people
have expressed<BR>> discomfort about the statement during the past two
days, I think it<BR>> would be quite the fallacy to think that
'consensus' has ever been<BR>> reached on this even if nobody stops this
initiative.<BR><BR></DIV>The precise definition of “consensus” is “lack of
sustained opposition”.<BR>That is what it means, not more, not less. If some
people are strongly<BR>in favor and no-one is sufficiently strongly opposed
to sustain<BR>opposition (and depending on the circumstances possibly spend
political<BR>capital in doing so), in a consensus process that results in a
decision<BR>in favor.<BR><BR>Expressions of discomfort are politically safe,
in the sense of not<BR>expending political capital, precisely because they
don't prevent a<BR>consensus decision from being reached.<BR><BR>If
“consensus” meant that every single person has to be in favor,
most<BR>organizations that use consensus-based decision processes would
never<BR>reach any decisions.<BR>
<DIV><BR>> we are effectively working against each other
here.<BR><BR></DIV>Unless you mean what may possibly have been an implied
demand in some of<BR>the postings, that IGC should shut up because BestBits
is going to<BR>discuss the topic at the upcoming meeting and then take some
action, I<BR>strongly disagree with the view that “we are effectively
working<BR>against each other here”.<BR><BR>In my view, the proposed letter
of IGC and whoever else will co-sign it<BR>does not in any way reduce the
effectiveness of the planned BestBits<BR>action. Quite on the contrary, in
my view, without the first letter it<BR>could very easily be the case that
by the time of the BestBits letter it<BR>could be too late and the entire
action might be ineffective. I do<BR>understand that you see and/or weigh
the risks differently.<BR>
<DIV><BR>> I wanted to thank Mawaki, therefore, for his efforts to find
an<BR>> alternative. If that could be a solution for all<BR><BR></DIV>No,
that is not a solution at all from my perspective, and since I've<BR>already
explained the reasons in detail why I think that the present<BR>letter needs
to be addressed to President Rousseff, I'll not repeat<BR>them
again.<BR><BR>Greetings,<BR>Norbert<BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV>
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