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<font face="Verdana"> If my reading is correct, we are still in the
text suggestion phase (or just about getting out of it),
especially with regard to Avri and McTim's suggestions for changes
to the salutation part, and not in an actual 'consensus calling'
phase... In the circumstances, I am not sure why some people have
alleged that a consensus call is being rushed. Just because one of
the co-coordinator also has views on the subject, it is wrong to
keep hitting him to earn some political points. <br>
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Well, I think, lets just give it up. The level of hair splitting
and nuancing has gone beyond human readable levels - over what was
just a proposal to welcome a rather path-breaking initiative, and
proposing that civil society would want to be an equal partner in
it.<br>
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As for the BB meeting logic - it doesnt convince me for many
reasons. What if there wasn't a BB meeting in a few days? BB
meetings have a very different configuration than IGC, and as I
said, I would not want to privilege one over the other. They can
both do their work, and should be able to..<br>
<br>
parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Monday 14 October 2013 05:50 AM, Lee
W McKnight wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">+1 for Norbert, since reality is: Brazil is host.
Really no need at this point to include Fadi as addressee when IGC is passing a note to a head of state.
No doubt - he'll get the memo anyway : )
Lee
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org">governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org</a>] on behalf of Norbert Bollow [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch">nb@bollow.ch</a>]
Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 1:42 AM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; McTim
Cc: avri doria
Subject: Re: [governance] CONSENSUS CALL Re: Draft letter text
McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a> wrote Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:19:30 -0400:
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<pre wrap="">I still haven't heard anything reality based to indicate why Brasil
should be mentioned first in the first para.
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I have discussed this at length in my posting of Sat, 12 Oct 2013
08:27:39 +0200, which I'm copying below.
If you wish to dismiss that entire posting as not “reality based”,
please point out for each of the three points on what basis you claim
that they are not “reality based”.
In my view, what I have written is very much reality-based, and not at
all ideological.
Greetings,
Norbert
:: From: Norbert Bollow <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch"><nb@bollow.ch></a>
:: To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>, McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a>
:: Cc: JFC Morfin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com"><jefsey@jefsey.com></a>, Anriette Esterhuysen
:: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"><anriette@apc.org></a>, Ian Peter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com"><ian.peter@ianpeter.com></a>
:: Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus
:: process Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:27:39 +0200
::
:: McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a> wrote:
:: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jefsey@jefsey.com"><jefsey@jefsey.com></a>
:: > wrote:
:: [..]
:: > What I want is to speak the truth.
:: >
:: > As you yourself said above:
:: >
:: > > "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by
:: > > Fadi and accepted by Dilma."
::
:: Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the
:: initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more
:: prominent first spot.
::
:: Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the
:: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is
:: exactly as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose
:: idea is was initially.
::
:: I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the
:: government of Brazil first:
::
:: * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an
:: event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing
:: in motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.
::
:: * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that
:: we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get
:: included. There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing
:: anything to lock anyone out from this process. If civil society
:: gets locked out, that will be an action of government bureaucrats
:: who either have unhealthy connections to telecom business people
:: with a pre-Internet mindset, or who have a pre-Internet telecom
:: mindset themselves. We're seeking to prevent this by writing to
:: someone with the power to prevent this from happening. It is IMO
:: only polite to mention the addressee's role in the initiative
:: first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or even offensive,
:: which could easily happen if a non-government entity is mentioned
:: more prominently or more respectfully than the governmental
:: addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less likely to
:: achieve our goal.
::
:: * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power
:: to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the
:: hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think
:: that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an
:: initiative of the Brazilian president that she has decided to
:: undertake on the basis of having informed herself well (which she
:: did by means of talking with someone of great and widely recognized
:: specific expertise in Internet governance).
::
:: Greetings,
:: Norbert
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