<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Parminder,<br><br>Thanks for laying out in such detail how you see this debate. This is very helpful to better understand your position.<br><br>It also helps me to clarify the Internet Democracy Project position, as we find ourselves in neither of the two groups you describe. We do believe that the current unequal distribution of power in global Internet governance is a major problem and that the proposed meeting is a significant step in efforts to address this. We also believe, however, that the solution to this problem does not only lie in an equal and just redistribution among states, but also, and crucially, in the strengthening of civil society participation. Achieving this will not be reached by simply demanding the possibility of civil society participation again and again. We believe it is far more forceful to start participating already by making concrete proposals. <br>
<br>It is for this reason (and because we believe letters in short succession do not add value, especially if they have nothing substantially new to add) that we proposed to wait until the Best Bits meeting next weekend. This may be a different perspective than yours, but it certainly isn't any less legitimate or valid in its commitment to a more just system of global Internet governance or an information society for all.<br>
<br></div>Thanks and best,<br>Anja<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 October 2013 12:01, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<font face="Verdana">Rafik<br>
<br>
I did argue the potential benefits at length. At the same time,
logic of cautious wait may also appears as sound. Finally, it is
ones politics - and the extent of ones disenchantment with the
status quo of power in global IG. As for those who are rather
disenchanted, this is a major potential opening for a disruptive
impact, something that has come after a long time, due to certain
historical matching of political configurations - a prime element
of which is the near universal global outrage following Snowden
revelations. And such openings dont come everyday. To those, like
for instance us, for whom there is major issue today about who has
power and who hasnt in global IG, and is marginalised, it is
difficult to let go such a prime opportunity without making the
best attempt to leverage it. That is the simple fact here.<br>
<br>
To others, there may be less threat in status quo and more in the
possible/ likely new configurations. Well, that is how it is
then... But we should understand and acknowledge the politics that
lies behind it.. It is not some simple technical difference of
appreciating whether entrepreneurial political opportunism is
better or conservative caution is more well-advised. Well,
consensus-ism often does get used to safeguard the status quo. <br>
<br>
If anybody is in fact ready to convey the statement to Rousseff,
our organisation's intention is still to go ahead with it.
Hopefully IGC would sign it, but if not, those who want to send it
can do so.<br>
<br>
Co-coordinators: Is is time to check rough consensus on the
shorter version or not yet? <br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
</font>
<div>On Saturday 12 October 2013 10:45 AM,
Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hello,<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div> </div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Firstly, we can take the usual time for seeking
consensus. Just not postpone to another time...
Secondly, I have not clearly heard, or any rate
understood, the concerns.<br>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>well I think that some people like Anriette , Anja ,
already expressed scepticism and asked at least to have
the discuss in Bali and so waiting before sending the
letter . I also didn't get till now what is the concrete
outcome of sending the letter </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Lets be clear what
we are doing at present - Just welcoming an initiative
that by all means looks like a serious outcome oriented
or at least outcome seeking one, and saying that we want
to be there right away driving it along with others....
What is wrong with it. The potential benefit is clear -
we try to get a bit tri - lateral about this
initiative.... Any other time will be too late.... And
as I said I dont see the downside....</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div> for me it seems more interpretation or wishes of we
may want to happen instead of having clear proofs or
indications or benefits. and honestly I don't buy those
arguments that we should hurry and don't miss the
opportunity .any action we will take we have to bare the
consequence later. </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<div> <br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>I want to be sure if I got you message
correctly.</div>
<div>I am still cautious with hurrying to write
letter , I am still not convinced and I want to
highlight that any action we take, will have
impact soon or later and can backfire. I don't
think that you would disagree with more
strategical approach. <br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
You are just making a general statement that caution and
foresight is good - and with such a statement who can
disagree.... But here I havent been told the risk - and
beyond a point, just about any political act carries
risk. <br>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I saw people talking about being opportunistic and
pragmatic,well I will take the cynical standpoint and
remind that we are dealing with politicians(even for the
ICANN CEO), they will of course welcome any letter support
and like it. but what what will happen if we found the
initiative is going in totally different direction? are we
going to send another letter?</div>
<div> do you really think they will care about it? probably
no and maybe they will keep referring to the first letter
because it support them and their narrative.</div>
<div>why not investigating first and getting more details
about what they have in mind before hurrying?</div>
<div>should we jump there because one public statement?how
can we make strategical decision with such few details?</div>
<div>idem for people talking about benefit and opportunity
to be part of the initiative but didn't give any
clarification how that will happen. kind of shot first and
then wait and see?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>anyway, I expressed my concern about sending letter to
support initiative yet to be defined, that we don't have
so much details about and without consensus on strategy
that we have follow.</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Rafik</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Regards, parminder
<br>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Rafik</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/11 parminder
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <font face="Verdana">It is here<br>
<br>
<a href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014</a><br>
<br>
Just a word of caution - we dont want
to make this an ominbus document of
demands. At this stage we need a
clear, crisp and strong letter, of a
few sentences, that Brazilian
President or some top guy would
actually read, and not get confusing
messages. I am not saying we should
not say whatever we definitively want
to say - but be clear and short, that
is all.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
parminder<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span></font>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Friday 11 October 2013 11:15
AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Parminder,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>sorry I am not really
getting the proposal you are
developing here? can you
please clarify?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div> Rafik </div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2013/10/11
parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br>
<font face="Verdana">Since
as argued below, in
our judgement, time is
strategically of
essense, some of us
would keep working on
a posible text over
today and try to
present something to
IGC and BB by the end
of the day.... We do
very much hope IGC and
BB can sign on it by
consensus, but it
doesnt happen we would
open it to
organisations and
people who want to
sign it (sorry, this
is a practice I
normally do not like
so much, but I dont
think it is ok that we
can produce a
statement to critique
a UN process is just
no time, with all kind
of ambiguous
languages, and on such
an important -
potential game changer
- initiative from a
developing country, a
paralysis seems to be
setting in)...<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
</font></span></font>
<div>
<div>
<div>On Friday 11
October 2013 11:02
AM, parminder
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"> Well
let then that be
as it has to be...
"<span>There is <em>a
tide</em> in
the <em>affairs
of men</em>.
Which, taken at
the flood, leads
on to
fortune"... </span><br>
<br>
Leadership doesnt
come searching for
you, you have to
seize it....
President Rousseff
was made, what
would have perhaps
been, somewhat a
regular kind of
offer. She seized
it with both her
hands, even
announced the like
month etc.. That
is what gave it
such a sudden high
prominence, and
people are
celebrating
Rousseff, and
somewhere, if it
plays its cards
well, Brazil have
now got an
edge.... which it
can use to further
its interest...<br>
<br>
Civil society also
is supposed to be
representing some
interests - real
interests of real
people, who are
most marginalised,
and we have to
take our own
responsibility
seriously . We
cannot be
eternally
paralysed, which
hurts these
interests. If
there are real
differences of
views, well, that
counts.... But a
permanent simple
wait-and-watch
attitude would do
us no good...<br>
<br>
Lets analyse what
we have here....
Or what risks we
run and what gains
we can make...
And others must
also contribute
what they think
are risks or
advantages....
merely saying we
are not sure yet,
tells talk more,
do face to face
and all,,,, Such
stuff I think,
just my own view,
is not the
appropriate
response. <br>
<br>
ICANN, either on
its own or tech
community's behalf
tries to cosy up
to the Brazilians
(perhaps in
anticipation of
the new proposal
for democratising
global IG that
Rousseff said
Brazil will soon
present - BTW, the
day of the annual
discussion on WSIS
and IG issues in
the UN GA is 22nd
Oct, but
whatever...) . It
proposes a real
dialogue to see
what needs to be
changed about the
global governance
of the Internet.
Rousseff
immediately seizes
the initiative,
and even declares
a possible
timeline, just
like that,
off-hand.... That
is leadership
material. That is
all that has
happened, and that
is all anyone
knows has
happened. There is
nothing hidden
that civil society
may suddenly
become complicit
to if they support
this proposal.<br>
<br>
In supporting it,
we would only be
saying - <br>
(1) yes, we agree
that 'a real
dialogue' on what
needs to change in
global governance
of the Internet
should take place
with some urgency,
<br>
(2) such a
dialogue should
take place in an
open and not a
hidden manner, <br>
(3) it is
certainly
encouraging that
the initiative
comes from one of
the key developing
nations - the main
votaries of a
'real change' -
and ICANN or the
technical
community - seen
as the main symbol
and defender of
status quo,and
that <br>
(4) we want civil
society to be
equally there in
the middle of all
action, as the
dialogue shapes
and takes place...<br>
<br>
Nothing more and
nothing less. (If
anything sinister
about the proposed
meeting surfaces
at any later time
we can as publicly
withdraw our
support, saying
this is not at
all what we
bargained for)<br>
<br>
So either people
here agree to the
above, and we can
write a statement,
or they dont...
This is the time
to do the
statement, when
people are still
wondering what
kind of initiative
it really is, and
with what
implications.
Throw in our hat -
and well, kind of
make this thing
somewhat
trilateral from
its current
bi-lateral status
(Brazil - ICANN
tech community) We
may not succeed,
but we must try.
.... In a few
weeks, the
initiative would
already be too
solidified in
fact, or in
people's mind for
civil society
support to have
this kind of
impact....<br>
<br>
Parminder <br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On Friday 11
October 2013
05:56 AM, Ian
Peter wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:'Calibri'">
<div>I agree
with Deborah –
lets wait till
a bit more
information
emerges. We
can draft a
letter which
is more
meaningful
when we have a
better idea of
the scope,
objectives,
possible
outcomes,
likely
attendees, and
possible
processes for
the
conference.
It’s quite
likely more
information
will emerge in
the next week
or so,
therefore I
think we
should discuss
at Bali and
before then
try to find
out a little
more.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ian Peter</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';font-weight:normal">
<div style="FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div> </div>
<div style="BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b>
<a title="deborah@accessnow.org" href="mailto:deborah@accessnow.org" target="_blank">Deborah
Brown</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b>
Friday,
October 11,
2013 10:35 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b>
<a title="nnenna75@gmail.com" href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">Nnenna
Nwakanma</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b>
<a title="bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[governance]
RE: [bestbits]
Rousseff &
Chehade:
Brazil will
host world
event on
Internet
governance in
2014</div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-size:small;display:inline;text-decoration:none;font-family:'Calibri';font-weight:normal">
<div dir="ltr">Dear
all,
<div> </div>
<div>I see the
advantage of
engaging early
on this, but
I'm a bit
concerned that
we are rushing
unnecessarily
to finalize a
letter before
many of us
travel and are
otherwise
overstretched.
I wonder if it
might make
more sense to
continue this
discussion
online and
take advantage
of the
in-person
meetings in
Bali, for
those of us
attending, to
develop a CS
agenda. Also,
as others have
pointed out,
we know so
little about
the initiative
at this point.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The draft
text
(available
here: <a href="http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014" target="_blank">http://igcaucus.org:9001/p/Brazil2014</a>)
does not seem
to capture the
cautious
optimism that
a number of
people have
expressed. I
also have
concerns about
providing our
"strongest
endorsement"
of the Marco
Civil process,
when that
process is not
yet complete.
Of course the
text of the
letter could
change
dramatically
in just a few
hours ;)<br>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I find
Nnenna's
approach to be
sound, but it
does imply a
follow on
communication
with more
concrete
proposals. I
wonder if it
might be more
effective to
streamline our
communication
to the
Brazilian
president and
head of ICANN.
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>To sum
up, I see
clear
advantages to
both "striking
while the iron
is hot" and a
more cautious
approach. But
given the
factors I
mentioned
above, I would
support taking
some extra
time if we
need it. In
any case, I'm
looking
forward to
hearing
others' ideas
and continuing
the discussion
around this
important
development. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best
regards, <br>
Deborah </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Oct 10,
2013 at 3:41
PM, Nnenna
Nwakanma <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nnenna75@gmail.com" target="_blank">nnenna75@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>Dear all<br>
<br>
<ol>
<li>I do
believe that
if any support
there is, from
the civil
society, it is
support for an
IDEA that
"appears" more
open and
inclusive that
the current
IGF </li>
<li>So I am
cautious about
writing a
letter that
may be in any
way understood
as "Civil
Society lauds
Dilma and
ICANN's push".
</li>
<li>A short
letter
informing that
global Civil
Society that
are working
on, concerned
about and/or
interested in
IG and
Internet
issues intend
to play key
roles in the
summit. </li>
<li>I believe
we should
communicate
key values we
plan to pursue
in the summit
</li>
<li>Underline
the central
idea of
multistakeholder
participation
</li>
<li>Say that
we are
beginnning
discussions
about the
diverse roles
that CS can
play and that
some time in
Bali will be
dedicated to
the issue
during the BB
meeting in
Bali.<br>
<br>
</li>
</ol>
</div>
If we recall,
workshop 127
in Bali will
be discussing
the MS
Selection
processes, and
I do hope,
personally
that we can
use that
opportunity to
sharpen the
focus. A
reminder of
the WS is on <a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/wks2013/workshop_2013_status_list_view.php?xpsltipq_je=127</a><br>
<br>
</div>
I am traveling
in unconnected
rural areas
but will be
back online
and I'm happy
to contribute
language if
any text
begins to
surface. In
case I do not,
here are my
ideas:<br>
</div>
<ol>
<li>Say what
exactly it is
the global CS
is supporting,
which is the
idea, and not
the
institutions </li>
<li>Make a
clear
statement on
our
willingness to
engage </li>
<li>Recall
that our
engagement is
based on the
Multistakeholder
principle </li>
<li>Inform
that
discussions
have started
and are
ongoing </li>
<li>Say we
will be coming
up with ore
concrete
engagement
proposals </li>
<li>Requesto
have
fundamental
info, if
available, to
help us scope
the idea
itself.</li>
</ol>
<p>Best</p>
<span><font color="#888888">
<p> </p>
<p>Nnenna<br>
</p>
</font></span>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Oct 10,
2013 at 7:01
PM, Joana
Varon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joana@varonferraz.com" target="_blank">joana@varonferraz.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT:1ex;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;BORDER-LEFT:rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Dear
people, <br>
<br>
</div>
For the level
of information
I have (which
is basically:
Brazil and
ICANN have
proposed to
host a Summit
on Internet
after April -
coincidentally
or right after
the meeting on
Sharm el Sheik
and before the
presidential
elections
period), I
don't feel
comfortable
about writing
a letter
congratulating
for something
I dont really
know what it
is. <br>
<br>
</div>
But I do truly
support Anja's
suggestion to
start working
on our agenda
online and,
with a
potential to
be much
richer, during
our several
meetings in
Bali. (what do
we want from
all this
besides
participating
in the
Summit??) <br>
<br>
</div>
In the
meanwhile, I
rather take
breath to
understand and
discuss this
with the
Brazilian
government and
Brazilian
colleagues
from civil
society or
other sectors.
And see what
is the final
draft of Marco
Civil that the
government
will bring to
our table very
soon (if it
truly endorses
all the
principles she
has mentioned
at the UNGA).
<br>
<br>
</div>
I'm sorry if
it's a bit of
a skeptic or
over cautious
position, but
I really need
more inputs to
see the big
picture. <br>
<div> </div>
<div>All the
best<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
joana<br>
</font></span></div>
<div> </div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Oct 10,
2013 at 2:59
PM, michael
gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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RE: [bestbits]
Rousseff &
Chehade:
Brazil will<br>
host world
event on
Internet
governance in
2014<br>
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<div>Dear
compa McT,<br>
<br>
You being a
rigorous
techie, maybe
you will not
change your
logical
view...<br>
:) And I
understand
there is a lot
of people in
all sectors
who feel<br>
disturbed by
the emerging
presence of
Brazil and its
concrete
proposals to<br>
finally move
on.<br>
<br>
At the very
beginning Fadi
describes the
motivation --
Rousseff's
statement<br>
at the UN, her
clear
adherence to
the basic
principles
most of civil
society<br>
defends (which
she has
repeated
several times
in her radio
program and
her<br>
twitter
@dilmabr), and
her proposal
to build a
planetary
framework of<br>
rights. This
did not come
out of the
blue, from a
meeting of IP
addressers<br>
in a wonderful
city called
Montevideo. Do
you think Fadi
just dropped
by the<br>
presidential
door in
Brasilia,
knocked and
entered to
sell that
proposal? :)<br>
<br>
Anyway, it is
relevant to
understand
that this is
not a proposal
for yet<br>
another Icann
meeting, or a
reedition of
the UN
chatting space
called IGF,<br>
as both Dilma
and Fadi made
it very clear.
It is a major
achievement
that<br>
that
motivation
brought Icann
to colead this
effort jointly
with BR.<br>
<br>
All the more
so because, as
you know,
there are
strong sectors
within the<br>
government who
would love to
bring the
root-zone to
the purview of
the ITU,<br>
who hate
Icann, who do
not like the
pluriparticipative
model of
governance<br>
we defend, and
who are
basically
associated
with the
transnational
telecom<br>
oligopoly
which controls
the main
networks in
BR.<br>
Dilma is
courageously
up against a
huge wall
here, to
defend those<br>
principles,
and receiving
Fadi and
emerging from
the meeting
with thar<br>
proposal was a
major
political
milestone for
her in those
internal
disputes<br>
as well.<br>
<br>
[] fraterno<br>
<br>
--c.a.<br>
<br>
On 10/10/2013
10:14 AM,
McTim wrote:<br>
> At 55
seconds in,
Fadi says:<br>
> "Her
Excellency
President
Rousseff has
accepted our
invitation
that we<br>
> hold next
year a Global
Summit"<br>
><br>
> Seem
fairly clear
to me.<br>
><br>
> On Thu,
Oct 10, 2013
at 9:10 AM,
Carlos A.
Afonso <<a href="mailto:ca@cafonso.ca" target="_blank">ca@cafonso.ca</a>>
wrote:<br>
>> McT,
maybe you
should watch
the video a
few times
more... :)<br>
>><br>
>>
--c.a.<br>
>><br>
>> On
10/10/2013
09:57 AM,
McTim wrote:<br>
>>>
On Wed, Oct 9,
2013 at 11:50
PM, michael
gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
>>>>
Why so
pessimistic
and cynical
everyone.. I
may be wrong
but this<br>
>>>>
isn't just
about ICANN,
although hats
off to Fadi
for getting
this<br>
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>>>>
going and
putting that
into play.<br>
<div>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>
I'm not
pessimistic or
cynical.<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
But I would be
extremely
surprised if
the Pres. of
Brazil is
going<br>
>>>>
to invite the
world to Rio
in April next
year to
discuss names
and<br>
>>>>
numbers.
Rather my
reading is
that she is
by-passing the
quite<br>
>>>>
evident
log-jam at the
ITU, the
frivolities of
the IGF, the
now<br>
>>>>
discredited
"Internet
Freedom"
crusade and
the status quo
which it<br>
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>>>>
was intended
to cast into
concrete errr.
(non) rules
and regs.<br>
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<div>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>
It appears to
me, after
watching the
video again
several times
that<br>
>>>
it is ICANN
(and I assume
the rest of
the
Montevideoans)
that are<br>
>>>
spearheading
this. In
other words
the idea of
the Summit
comes from<br>
>>>
the T&A
folks, not
Brasilia.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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