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<font face="Verdana">Shorter versions are fine<br>
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But need a line to put the stake in the ground -- and say that
civil society offers to fully participate in the process, which
should be open and inclusive. And no loss in highlighting Brazil's
exemplary record in terms of real partnerships with civil society
on many key issues at global as well as domestic level (which is
fully a fact). Helps give an indication as to what kind of
structural embeddedness into the proposed initiative civil society
seeks, and a word or two of genuine appreciative words would
possibly goad them to, in the best case scenario, actually
acknowledge our support and even do something concrete to include
us as an important actor. I am sure we all agree with this
objective.... and if we do, this is the tactical way to try and
achieve it. <br>
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I will suggest text right away...<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 12 October 2013 03:04 AM,
michael gurstein wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I agree with Lee but am okay with this version.
M
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Subject: RE: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process
Anriette,
As all parties know it will be discussed at IGF, personally I do not think
it especially important to state that. But I have no problem with your
edit.
Lee
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Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process
I would add just one reference to the final paragraph of this shorter
version which I think is very good.
In view of the global importance of this subject, we look forward to
discussing it further at the upcoming Internet Governance Forum in Bali, and
to contributing to your initiative with specific and concrete proposals.
I am not opposed to this letter, but still leaning toward's Anja and other's
advice to wait a while. I also feel the letter I also believe we need to be
consistent. When the 2011 IBSA proposal was made by India and Brazil there
was an outcry in the IGF community and all three governments were urged to
discuss these proposals at the IGF before tabling them at the GA?
Do we no longer think this is important?
Anriette
On 11/10/2013 21:35, Lee W McKnight wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Quick edit of last paragraph.
Lee
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Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus
process
Far too long. If we are to send anything, here is a suggested shorter
version.
Your Excellency President Rousseff and other representatives of the
Brazilian government
We, the undersigned civil society organizations and individuals from
around the world, would like to express our appreciation and support
for the recently announced initiative of the government of Brazil,
along with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN), to "discuss the necessary changes to Internet governance" and
to restore trust in the Internet as the foundation of our global
information societies.
We consider these to be discussions of crucial importance for the
future of the development of the Internet in the global public
interest and for the shared benefit of the peoples of the world.
In view of the global importance of this subject, we look forward to
contributing to your initiative with specific and concrete proposals.
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From: Norbert Bollow
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2013 2:29 AM
To: IGC
Subject: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus process
Here is the current content of the etherpad where informal drafting
has taken place:
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-- Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to the
government of Brazil in regard to the planned event on Internet
governance in 2014
Your Excellency President Rousseff and other representatives of the
Brazilian government
We, the undersigned civil society organizations and individuals from
around the world, would like to express our appreciation and support
for the recently announced initiative of the government of Brazil,
along with the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
(ICANN), to "discuss the necessary changes to Internet governance" and
to restore trust in the Internet as the foundation of our global
information societies.
We consider these to be discussions of crucial importance for the
future of the development of the Internet in the global public
interest and for the shared benefit of the peoples of the world.
In view of the global importance of this subject, we look to civil
society being an equal partner to this dialogue at all stages from
agenda-setting onwards, and that the preparatory process for the
planned event be open and transparent and inclusive of all interested
parties. This process should be particularly focused on realizing the
broadest base of shared benefits for the global community including
support for economic and social development, and innovation in pursuit
of the resolution of significant matters of broad impact and concern.
We further note with appreciation that Brazil has a strong tradition
and experience with effective partnerships with civil society on many
important domestic and global issues, including most notably for this
context the proposed Marco Civil for which we as international civil
society organizations and individuals provide our strong endorsement,
and the highly successful CGI model of Internet governance at the
national level. This event presents an outstanding opportunity to move
these experiences forward into the emerging area of global Internet
governance. The discussions should be action-oriented, proposing
concrete measures to democratise and internationalise global Internet
governance.
We look forward to learning more details of the event as they emerge
and to contributing to this with specific and concrete proposals which
will be the subject of discussion during upcoming meetings during the
Bali IGF.
The undersigned civil society organisations from across the world
offer their support to your initiative and will look forward to
partnering in its various processes as they evolve.
We look forward to contributing to the successful development of the
global Internet governance event in 2014 and to the new mechanisms and
arrangements that develop from it.
Yours sincerely
--snap----------------------------------------------------------------
--
I personally would have preferred a simpler and shorter letter (and
one that is more specifically from IGC) but since this is what has
come out of an informal drafting process in which quite a few IGC
members have already participated, I feel that it may be best to take
this as the starting point for the IGC consensus process.
The idea here is that I hope that IGC can reach consensus (or at least
rough consensus) on either accepting this text as-is, or on some some
modified version is derived from this, and that we'd then put that up
also inviting civil society organizations as well as individuals to
endorse.
[with IGC coordinator hat on]
Please post any disagreements regarding the draft text together with a
specific proposal for a change and your justification for why you ask
for this change.
In view of the situation that the letter can be expected to be most
effective if it is ready soon, please give this process a high
priority and post change requests as quickly as reasonably possible. I
have no idea yet what will be appropriate in regard to consensus
process deadlines. Just in case we might end in an unpleasantly
time-constrained situation where tight deadlines are needed, I'd like
to request IGC members who strongly care about the specific details of
the outcome of this consensus process to check their IGC email at
least every twelve hours.
The other thread, in which I invited any fundamental objection to such
a letter to be voiced, is also still open.
Greetings,
Norbert
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