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Valid point Parminder. <br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 20:25, parminder wrote:<br>
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Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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Agree with Anja too.. I think we need to excercise caution. I do
think that once we know more about this event we should
intervene strongly.<br>
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At this point I think a general outcome statement from the Best
Bits meeting (with support from the IGC if it can reach
consensus) could praise this initiative, but make come
cautionary points about it. We should also use the opportunity
of talking with Brazilian colleagues and government people in
Bali to get more insight into how they envision this event.<br>
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I would not write another letter before the IGF.<br>
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By then it will be a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN, not
a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN and a considerable part
of global civil society... And it wont change after that...<br>
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parminder <br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 19:29, Robert Guerra
wrote:<br>
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<div>We need to be strategic. We also should beware of the
consequences of not engaging in a strategic fashion that
takes into consideration geopolitics. </div>
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<div>I worry at the level of exuberant enthusiasm felt by
many. I fear , as has happened in the past, CS might be
pawns in larger play by far better resourced actors that
ultimately will result in a very different , more
state-centric model of Internet governance where rights are
trampled on. I hope I'm wrong...</div>
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<div>regards</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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<div>On 2013-10-11, at 1:07 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">When civil society writes too many
letters to a person in short succession, I am afraid
they loose their force. As I wrote on the Best Bits
list, CS letters should be received with a mix of
excitement and apprehension, I am concerned that when
we send a third, more detailed letter to President
Rousseff next week, she will simply receive it with
fatigue. <br>
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Civil society is asking for seats at the table all
the time. The point is what we do when we get there.
I think a more detailed letter in ten days time will
have more force. <br>
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Also because we don't have to sit still in the mean
time. There are other ways in which we can make
evident to the Brazilian government that we are
interested in working with them on this and support
this idea, including by communicating with them to
find out more directly and by seeing whether we can
work with them on this through the IGF. <br>
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<div>My two paise,<br>
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<div>Anja<br>
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<div class="im">Parminder <<a
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wrote:<br>
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> You are just making a general statement
that caution and foresight is<br>
> good - and with such a statement who can
disagree.... But here I<br>
> havent been told the risk - and beyond a
point, just about any<br>
> political act carries risk.<br>
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Also, not acting when an opportunity presents
itself carries<br>
more than just the risk of losing that
opportunity, it carries the<br>
certainty of losing that opportunity.<br>
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Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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anriette esterhuysen <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
executive director, association for progressive communications
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po box 29755, melville 2109
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anriette esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
executive director, association for progressive communications
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a>
po box 29755, melville 2109
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