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    Valid point Parminder.  <br>
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    Anriette<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 20:25, parminder wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 11 October 2013 11:24 PM,
        Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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        Agree with Anja too.. I think we need to excercise caution. I do
        think that once we know more about this event we should
        intervene strongly.<br>
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        At this point I think a general outcome statement from the Best
        Bits meeting (with support from the IGC if it can reach
        consensus) could praise this initiative, but make come
        cautionary points about it. We should also use the opportunity
        of talking with Brazilian colleagues and government people in
        Bali to get more insight into how they envision this event.<br>
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        I would not write another letter before the IGF.<br>
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      By then it will be a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN, not
      a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN and a considerable part
      of global civil society... And it wont change after that...<br>
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      parminder <br>
      <blockquote cite="mid:52583B47.5050102@apc.org" type="cite"> <br>
        Anriette<br>
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        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 19:29, Robert Guerra
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          type="cite">Anja +1
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          <div>We need to be strategic. We also should beware of the
            consequences of not engaging in a strategic fashion that
            takes into consideration geopolitics. </div>
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          <div>I worry at the level of exuberant enthusiasm felt by
            many. I fear , as has happened in the past, CS might be
            pawns in larger play by far better resourced actors that
            ultimately  will result in a very different , more
            state-centric model of Internet governance where rights are
            trampled on. I hope I'm wrong...</div>
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          <div>regards</div>
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          <div>Robert</div>
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              <div>On 2013-10-11, at 1:07 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:</div>
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                <div dir="ltr">When civil society writes too many
                  letters to a person in short succession, I am afraid
                  they loose their force. As I wrote on the Best Bits
                  list, CS letters should be received with a mix of
                  excitement and apprehension, I am concerned that when
                  we send a third, more detailed letter to President
                  Rousseff next week, she will simply receive it with
                  fatigue. <br>
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                    Civil society is asking for seats at the table all
                    the time. The point is what we do when we get there.
                    I think a more detailed letter in ten days time will
                    have more force. <br>
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                    Also because we don't have to sit still in the mean
                    time. There are other ways in which we can make
                    evident to the Brazilian government that  we are
                    interested in working with them on this and support
                    this idea, including by communicating with them to
                    find out more directly and by seeing whether we can
                    work with them on this through the IGF. <br>
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                  <div>My two paise,<br>
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                  <div>Anja<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 11 October 2013 22:04,
                    Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                        wrote:<br>
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                        > You are just making a general statement
                        that caution and foresight is<br>
                        > good - and with such a statement who can
                        disagree.... But here I<br>
                        > havent been told the risk - and beyond  a
                        point, just about any<br>
                        > political act carries risk.<br>
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                      Also, not acting when an opportunity presents
                      itself carries<br>
                      more than just the risk of losing that
                      opportunity, it carries the<br>
                      certainty of losing that opportunity.<br>
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                      Greetings,<br>
                      Norbert<br>
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anriette esterhuysen <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
executive director, association for progressive communications
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po box 29755, melville 2109
south africa
tel/fax +27 11 726 1692</pre>
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anriette esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a>
executive director, association for progressive communications
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a>
po box 29755, melville 2109
south africa
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