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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Probably also worth mentioning… the fact that there are 3 items in close succession worthy of positive comment from our perspective (after months of little but uniformly negative developments) is something to be celebrated rather than resisted… especially since it would be appear as per CA's note that our comments are being brought to the attention of the most appropriate and highest authorities.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What's not to like :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anriette Esterhuysen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 11, 2013 11:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; parminder<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] RE: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Valid point Parminder. <br><br>Anriette<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/10/2013 20:25, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Friday 11 October 2013 11:24 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Agree with Anja too.. I think we need to excercise caution. I do think that once we know more about this event we should intervene strongly.<br><br>At this point I think a general outcome statement from the Best Bits meeting (with support from the IGC if it can reach consensus) could praise this initiative, but make come cautionary points about it. We should also use the opportunity of talking with Brazilian colleagues and government people in Bali to get more insight into how they envision this event.<br><br>I would not write another letter before the IGF.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br>By then it will be a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN, not a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN and a considerable part of global civil society... And it wont change after that...<br><br>parminder <br><br><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Anriette<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/10/2013 19:29, Robert Guerra wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Anja +1 <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We need to be strategic. We also should beware of the consequences of not engaging in a strategic fashion that takes into consideration geopolitics. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I worry at the level of exuberant enthusiasm felt by many. I fear , as has happened in the past, CS might be pawns in larger play by far better resourced actors that ultimately will result in a very different , more state-centric model of Internet governance where rights are trampled on. I hope I'm wrong...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Robert<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>--<br>R. Guerra<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Phone/Cell: +1 202-905-2081<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/netfreedom">twitter.com/netfreedom</a> <br>Email: <a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org">rguerra@privaterra.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 2013-10-11, at 1:07 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>When civil society writes too many letters to a person in short succession, I am afraid they loose their force. As I wrote on the Best Bits list, CS letters should be received with a mix of excitement and apprehension, I am concerned that when we send a third, more detailed letter to President Rousseff next week, she will simply receive it with fatigue. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Civil society is asking for seats at the table all the time. The point is what we do when we get there. I think a more detailed letter in ten days time will have more force. <br><br>Also because we don't have to sit still in the mean time. There are other ways in which we can make evident to the Brazilian government that we are interested in working with them on this and support this idea, including by communicating with them to find out more directly and by seeing whether we can work with them on this through the IGF. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>My two paise,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Anja<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11 October 2013 22:04, Norbert Bollow <<a href="mailto:nb@bollow.ch" target="_blank">nb@bollow.ch</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br><br>> You are just making a general statement that caution and foresight is<br>> good - and with such a statement who can disagree.... But here I<br>> havent been told the risk - and beyond a point, just about any<br>> political act carries risk.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Also, not acting when an opportunity presents itself carries<br>more than just the risk of losing that opportunity, it carries the<br>certainty of losing that opportunity.<br><br>Greetings,<br>Norbert<br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><br>-- <br>Dr. Anja Kovacs<br>The Internet Democracy Project<br><br>+91 9899028053 | @anjakovacs<br><a href="http://www.internetdemocracy.in/" target="_blank">www.internetdemocracy.in</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a><br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a><br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a><br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>anriette esterhuysen <a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>executive director, association for progressive communications<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>po box 29755, melville 2109<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>south africa<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>tel/fax +27 11 726 1692<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>------------------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>anriette esterhuysen <a href="mailto:anriette@apc.org">anriette@apc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>executive director, association for progressive communications<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://www.apc.org">www.apc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>po box 29755, melville 2109<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>south africa<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>tel/fax +27 11 726 1692<o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>