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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Friday 11 October 2013 11:24 PM,
Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:<br>
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Agree with Anja too.. I think we need to excercise caution. I do
think that once we know more about this event we should intervene
strongly.<br>
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At this point I think a general outcome statement from the Best
Bits meeting (with support from the IGC if it can reach consensus)
could praise this initiative, but make come cautionary points
about it. We should also use the opportunity of talking with
Brazilian colleagues and government people in Bali to get more
insight into how they envision this event.<br>
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I would not write another letter before the IGF.<br>
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By then it will be a Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN, not a
Brazilian initiative supported by ICANN and a considerable part of
global civil society... And it wont change after that...<br>
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parminder <br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2013 19:29, Robert Guerra
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<div>We need to be strategic. We also should beware of the
consequences of not engaging in a strategic fashion that takes
into consideration geopolitics. </div>
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<div>I worry at the level of exuberant enthusiasm felt by many.
I fear , as has happened in the past, CS might be pawns in
larger play by far better resourced actors that ultimately
will result in a very different , more state-centric model of
Internet governance where rights are trampled on. I hope I'm
wrong...</div>
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<div>regards</div>
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<div>Robert</div>
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<div>On 2013-10-11, at 1:07 PM, Anja Kovacs wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr">When civil society writes too many letters
to a person in short succession, I am afraid they loose
their force. As I wrote on the Best Bits list, CS
letters should be received with a mix of excitement and
apprehension, I am concerned that when we send a third,
more detailed letter to President Rousseff next week,
she will simply receive it with fatigue. <br>
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Civil society is asking for seats at the table all the
time. The point is what we do when we get there. I
think a more detailed letter in ten days time will
have more force. <br>
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Also because we don't have to sit still in the mean
time. There are other ways in which we can make
evident to the Brazilian government that we are
interested in working with them on this and support
this idea, including by communicating with them to
find out more directly and by seeing whether we can
work with them on this through the IGF. <br>
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<div>My two paise,<br>
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<div>Anja<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 October 2013 22:04,
Norbert Bollow <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div class="im">Parminder <<a
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wrote:<br>
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> You are just making a general statement that
caution and foresight is<br>
> good - and with such a statement who can
disagree.... But here I<br>
> havent been told the risk - and beyond a
point, just about any<br>
> political act carries risk.<br>
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Also, not acting when an opportunity presents itself
carries<br>
more than just the risk of losing that opportunity,
it carries the<br>
certainty of losing that opportunity.<br>
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Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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