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I am willing to take the technical community at its word on the
Montevideo statement that they indeed seek truly substantive
progress towards globalisation of ICANN and IANA function. There is
also an important clarification provided by John that " we're all
using the term globalization to mean"free from one specific
country's jurisdiction/governance". Raul has also made a clear
statement that LACNIC supports "ICANN becoming an international
organisation incorporated under a convenient jurisdiction".<br>
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There are other good leads in ARIN's response to WGEC - like,
technical bodies are best guided under clearly set but relatively
higher level public policy principles ........<br>
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I think we may have a basis here to try to move forward. And this is
a very good time to do so, with global confidence in the Internet
shaken post-Snowden as perhaps never before. If people are to get a
real response, it is now.<br>
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Anyway, I can understand that actual working technical
organisations, with clear organisational responsibilities, and a
place in the IG ecosystem, would be conservative to actually begun
making specific proposals. I mean they cant perhaps do it in the
same way as civil society can. And here a good division of labour
comes into picture.<br>
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So, what about civil society groups making a statement welcoming the
Montevideo statement, especially its commitment to seeing some
substantial progress forward on globalisation of ICANN and IANA
functions, and in this context, 'we present the following proposal
for the consideration and support of the technical community'. <br>
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The proposal would be made of some clear principles followed by
specific (though yet a bit higher level) institutional steps and
processes for globalisation of the ICANN and IANA. We can discuss
these principles and specific institutional changes on this list so
that we have a statement that is likely to be accepted by the
technical community. If we can agree to this and take a common
statement to, well, the governments, I think we would have
accomplished a lot. I can bet, a real shift will begun that day. <br>
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Any takers?<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Wednesday 09 October 2013 05:20 AM,
John Curran wrote:<br>
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<div>On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:43 AM, parminder <<a
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07:24 PM, John Curran wrote:<br>
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<div>The clear, uniform call by these organizations
for globalization of ICANN and IANA </div>
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<div>a would call a truly substantial development. </div>
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Can you please point to where such a proposal/ call
exists... </div>
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<div>Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation,
3rd bullet - </div>
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<div>"They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN
and IANA functions,</div>
<div> towards an environment in which all stakeholders,
including all governments, </div>
<div> participate on an equal footing."</div>
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<div>It is a _call_, not a _proposal_</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Is there agreement on
making ICANN an international organisation incorporated
under international law and not US law, and free from all
kinds of US jurisdiction, and in a host country agreement
with the US government and so on.... That is what
globalisation or internationalisation means..... I happy to
support any such proposal from the technical community, and
this can be basis of some real change.
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<div>Again, it is a call for globalization of ICANN and IANA
functions, not a plan for </div>
<div>doing such... I do believe that we're all using the term
globalization to mean </div>
<div>"free from one specific country's jurisdiction/governance".</div>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Opening a new office in
Africa or China or India is not globalisation - even US has
embassies in all these place, because of which US cannot be
called as having been globalised or internationalised.
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Agreed.<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">We have always been very
forthcoming to present what we think it would look like
(although always open to further comments and changes). For
instance, see this recent statement to the WGEC by 46
organisations including ours, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/Statement_on_democratizing_Internet_governance_0.pdf">http://www.itforchange.net/sites/default/files/ITfC/Statement_on_democratizing_Internet_governance_0.pdf</a>
. Happy to hear your comments on this.
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Is the new "Internet Technical Oversight and Advisory Board" a
component of </div>
<div>the 'new UN body', or an distinct entity? <br>
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<blockquote type="cite">For example, there is an "IANA
Function Contract"... how would one globalize the </blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">'IANA oversight' function that is
nominally provided today by the USG/NTIA?</blockquote>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">See the above link......
Set up an international body that takes over this function
with no accountability to the US, or any kind of US
jurisdiction... Simple. What other way is there to
globalise/ internationalise something ?<br>
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<div>There are many different possible structures and
mechanisms, for example,</div>
<div>you propose a new UN body, an Oversight Board,
globalization of ICANN,</div>
<div>and maintenance/strengthening of the existing IGF. I can
easily imagine </div>
<div>other methods of solving this problem with different
arrangements of bodies</div>
<div>and mechanisms.</div>
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<div>The Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet
Cooperation does not</div>
<div>propose any particular solution, but only states that
several organizations </div>
<div>which are involved in Internet coordination believe that
the globalization of </div>
<div>ICANN and IANA functions (towards an environment in which
all stakeholders, </div>
<div>including all governments, participate on an equal footing)
is a goal worth </div>
<div>accelerating.</div>
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<div>Given your strong expression of concern over the statement,
I guess the </div>
<div>question arises - would you have preferred a statement
which indicated that</div>
<div>the current USG oversight of ICANN and IANA is just fine?
That certainly</div>
<div>would have supported the status quo...</div>
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<div>/John</div>
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