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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 08 October 2013 04:49 PM,
John Curran wrote:<br>
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<div>On Oct 7, 2013, at 11:43 PM, parminder <<a
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<div>You would not consider the "accelerating the globalization
of ICANN and IANA functions, </div>
<div>towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including
all governments, participate </div>
<div>on an equal footing" to be truly substantial?</div>
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I may, if I am given some concrete indication what does that
'environment' looks like. <br>
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Even if it was perhaps not possible for all the current
signatories to sign off on any "real proposal" right away,
can anyone here who comes close to being one among many
representatives of the technical community propose an
example of any such "truly substantial" change that
technical community is now willing to consider, post NSA/
Snowden.<br>
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<div>How can there be a proposal of "what should be next"
without first having discussions </div>
<div>of same? </div>
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The discussion started at least in 2004 with the WGIG, and now it is
2013...... People have been discussing all along. What is time
period/ limit of discussions? <br>
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<div> Your faith in "a real proposal" from the Montevideo
signatories is appreciated,</div>
<div>but discussions so that "all stakeholders, including all
governments, participate on an </div>
<div>equal footing" is exactly the type of discussion going on
globally in places such as the </div>
<div>IGF, and there is no clear or even emergent consensus yet
that I can discern...</div>
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The plain fact is that in a socio political space no change takes
place if we wait for every every entity to agree completely. So we
can wait eternally for the full consensus to emerge and the status
quo can meanwhile be. Public interest actors can still agree - as
they do often in terms of global treaties etc - because of some
genuine give and take involved, and at other times a leap of
collective faith in global public interest.... But when some private
interest actors - who by definition look at narrow, relatively short
term interest - are also prominently lined up as essential parties
to the sought for consensus, that is a pretty impossible task. A
good recipe however to keep the status quo going. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div>/John</div>
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<div>Disclaimer: My views alone. No new Internet Governance
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