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<font face="Verdana">Apart from redoing the question-wise
compilation </font>properly, i also asked Peter Major to in any
case also separately provide complete responses of every responding
entity, because often they make good sense to read as complete
submissions. Peter has not responded to my suggestion. Maybe you and
Joy can also add your voice... parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 08 October 2013 06:42 PM,
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<div>Nupef from BR alto endorsed APC's and Bestbits' responses and
is not listed.</div>
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From: Anriette Esterhuysen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:anriette@apc.org"><anriette@apc.org></a> <br>
Date: 08-10-2013 05:42 (GMT-03:00) <br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br>
Subject: Re: [governance] "technical community fails at
multistakeholderism". really? <br>
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Dear Parminder<br>
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Thanks for picking up that the APC submission is not included in
the CSTD WG question compiliation.<br>
Also, the Best Bits submission, while there, is not noted as being
from Best Bits, it just mentioned a few of the endorsing
institutions.<br>
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I will write to them.<br>
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Anriette<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2013 09:10, parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 08 October 2013 12:13
PM, parminder wrote:<br>
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<font face="Verdana">Dear Ian<br>
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*<b>Most importantly</b>*, if indeed they really seek any
"truly substantial" change/evolution of current mechanisms
why did they not say so in their recent response to the
questionnaire of the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation,
which inter alia asks them this precise question. In fact
the question on the needed "most appropriate mechanisms" has
a specific sub question on technical management aspect of
global IG. At least three of the signatories to the
Montevedio statement send their responses to the
questionnaire - ICANN, ARIN and LACNIC. </font></blockquote>
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<font face="Verdana">In fact four of them. I forgot to mention
ISOC.<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:5253A999.4000705@itforchange.net"
type="cite"><font face="Verdana">There is no indication at all
in their responses to the questionnaire that they seek any
"truly substantial" evolution anywhere. Everything of the
status quo appears to them pretty all right.<br>
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In the circumstances, would one be amiss is considering this
Montevideo statement as largely being merely for public
consumption, while the views of the same organisations at
places where such views really matter are rather different.
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BTW, responses to WGEC questionaire can be seen at <a
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href="http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=396">http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=396</a>
. Incidentally, IT for Change's responses are missing from
the compilation. So also I think APC's, and therefore there
may be even some more missing here. <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Tuesday 08 October 2013 11:21
AM, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:ADFFFCEC32124534A768BC140520C9AA@Toshiba"
type="cite">Its interesting to contrast this article with
the Montevideo statement released a little bit later from
the technical community. As regards criticisms of current
internet governance structures, the technical community
added <br>
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" The leaders discussed the clear need to continually
strengthen and evolve these mechanisms, in truly substantial
ways, to be able to address emerging issues faced by
stakeholders in the Internet." <br>
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Note "in truly substantial ways" - that's not accidental
text, but a recognition that significant change must take
place. <br>
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Also note the main statements from Montevideo, which were <br>
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* They reinforced the importance of globally coherent
Internet operations, and warned against Internet
fragmentation at a national level. They expressed strong
concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of
Internet users globally due to recent revelations of
pervasive monitoring and surveillance. <br>
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*They identified the need for ongoing effort to address
Internet Governance challenges, and agreed to catalyze
community-wide efforts towards the evolution of global
multistakeholder Internet cooperation. <br>
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*They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and
IANA functions, towards an environment in which all
stakeholders, including all governments, participate on an
equal footing. <br>
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(there was also a statement re IPv6) <br>
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I mention these in this context because there appears to be
a lot of common ground with the technical community now as
regards some of the big priorities that must be addressed,
and from this statement also a recognition that they must
improve current mechanisms "in truly substantial ways". <br>
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That's good news! There are things that should be
criticised in current structures, but there is a growing
opportunity to work with the technical community to address
some major points of agreement. I hope that in our
discussions of the various viewpoints which legitimately are
part of our thinking on current structures we do not lose
the opportunity to work closely with the technical community
on some over riding policy issues on which we have
substantial agreement. <br>
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Ian Peter <br>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:33 PM <br>
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Subject: [governance] "technical community fails at
multistakeholderism". really? <br>
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href="http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism">http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism</a>
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href="http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation">http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation</a>
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forming a consensus that the usual splinter rump minority
doesnt agree with emphatically does not constitute any sort
of failure of multistakeholderism <br>
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--srs <br>
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