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<DIV>Parminder, “truly substantial” is not the sort of words you include if you
are producing a motherhood statement to appease the masses. I suspect that at
least some of those present can see that things are changing, and they must
change as well to retain any legitimacy. I suspect that (just like us in
civil society) there are some people now arguing forcibly for substantial change
while others resist such moves.</DIV>
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<DIV>Ian Peter</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=parminder@itforchange.net
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 08, 2013 6:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=governance@lists.igcaucus.org
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [governance] "technical community fails at
multistakeholderism". really?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On Tuesday 08 October 2013 12:13 PM, parminder
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:5253A999.4000705@itforchange.net type="cite"><FONT
face=Verdana>Dear Ian<BR><BR>*<B>Most importantly</B>*, if indeed they really
seek any "truly substantial" change/evolution of current mechanisms why did
they not say so in their recent response to the questionnaire of the Working
Group on Enhanced Cooperation, which inter alia asks them this precise
question. In fact the question on the needed "most appropriate mechanisms" has
a specific sub question on technical management aspect of global IG. At least
three of the signatories to the Montevedio statement send their responses to
the questionnaire - ICANN, ARIN and LACNIC. </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><FONT
face=Verdana>In fact four of them. I forgot to mention ISOC.<BR><BR></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:5253A999.4000705@itforchange.net type="cite"><FONT
face=Verdana>There is no indication at all in their responses to the
questionnaire that they seek any "truly substantial" evolution anywhere.
Everything of the status quo appears to them pretty all right.<BR><BR>In the
circumstances, would one be amiss is considering this Montevideo statement as
largely being merely for public consumption, while the views of the same
organisations at places where such views really matter are rather different.
<BR><BR>BTW, responses to WGEC questionaire can be seen at <A
class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=396"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://unctad.org/en/pages/MeetingDetails.aspx?meetingid=396</A>
. Incidentally, IT for Change's responses are missing from the compilation. So
also I think APC's, and therefore there may be even some more missing here.
<BR><BR>parminder <BR><BR></FONT>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On Tuesday 08 October 2013 11:21 AM, Ian Peter
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:ADFFFCEC32124534A768BC140520C9AA@Toshiba
type="cite">Its interesting to contrast this article with the Montevideo
statement released a little bit later from the technical community. As
regards criticisms of current internet governance structures, the technical
community added <BR><BR>" The leaders discussed the clear need to
continually strengthen and evolve these mechanisms, in truly substantial
ways, to be able to address emerging issues faced by stakeholders in the
Internet." <BR><BR>Note "in truly substantial ways" - that's not accidental
text, but a recognition that significant change must take place.
<BR><BR>Also note the main statements from Montevideo, which were
<BR><BR><BR>* They reinforced the importance of globally coherent Internet
operations, and warned against Internet fragmentation at a national level.
They expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and
confidence of Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive
monitoring and surveillance. <BR><BR>*They identified the need for ongoing
effort to address Internet Governance challenges, and agreed to catalyze
community-wide efforts towards the evolution of global multistakeholder
Internet cooperation. <BR><BR>*They called for accelerating the
globalization of ICANN and IANA functions, towards an environment in which
all stakeholders, including all governments, participate on an equal
footing. <BR><BR>(there was also a statement re IPv6) <BR><BR>I mention
these in this context because there appears to be a lot of common ground
with the technical community now as regards some of the big priorities that
must be addressed, and from this statement also a recognition that they must
improve current mechanisms "in truly substantial ways". <BR><BR>That's good
news! There are things that should be criticised in current
structures, but there is a growing opportunity to work with the technical
community to address some major points of agreement. I hope that in our
discussions of the various viewpoints which legitimately are part of our
thinking on current structures we do not lose the opportunity to work
closely with the technical community on some over riding policy issues on
which we have substantial agreement. <BR><BR><BR>Ian Peter <BR><BR>.
<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message----- From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
<BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:33 PM <BR>To: <A
class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</A> <BR>Subject:
[governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really?
<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism</A>
<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation</A>
<BR><BR>forming a consensus that the usual splinter rump minority doesnt
agree with emphatically does not constitute any sort of failure of
multistakeholderism <BR><BR>--srs
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