<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body ><div>This sentence is ambiguous: "They expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring </div>and surveillance."<div><br></div><div>It seems the "leaders" are more concerned by the revelations of surveillance than by surveillance itself.</div><div><br></div><div>--c.a.<br><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:100%">------------<br>C. A. Afonso</div></div> </div><br><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ian Peter <ian.peter@ianpeter.com> <br>Date: 08-10-2013 02:51 (GMT-03:00) <br>To: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh@hserus.net>,governance@lists.igcaucus.org <br>Subject: Re: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". really? <br> <br><br>Its interesting to contrast this article with the Montevideo statement <br>released a little bit later from the technical community. As regards <br>criticisms of current internet governance structures, the technical <br>community added<br><br>" The leaders discussed the clear need to continually strengthen and evolve <br>these mechanisms, in truly substantial ways, to be able to address emerging <br>issues faced by stakeholders in the Internet."<br><br>Note "in truly substantial ways" - that's not accidental text, but a <br>recognition that significant change must take place.<br><br>Also note the main statements from Montevideo, which were<br><br><br>* They reinforced the importance of globally coherent Internet operations, <br>and warned against Internet fragmentation at a national level. They <br>expressed strong concern over the undermining of the trust and confidence of <br>Internet users globally due to recent revelations of pervasive monitoring <br>and surveillance.<br><br>*They identified the need for ongoing effort to address Internet Governance <br>challenges, and agreed to catalyze community-wide efforts towards the <br>evolution of global multistakeholder Internet cooperation.<br><br>*They called for accelerating the globalization of ICANN and IANA functions, <br>towards an environment in which all stakeholders, including all governments, <br>participate on an equal footing.<br><br>(there was also a statement re IPv6)<br><br>I mention these in this context because there appears to be a lot of common <br>ground with the technical community now as regards some of the big <br>priorities that must be addressed, and from this statement also a <br>recognition that they must improve current mechanisms "in truly substantial <br>ways".<br><br>That's good news! There are things that should be criticised in current <br>structures, but there is a growing opportunity to work with the technical <br>community to address some major points of agreement. I hope that in our <br>discussions of the various viewpoints which legitimately are part of our <br>thinking on current structures we do not lose the opportunity to work <br>closely with the technical community on some over riding policy issues on <br>which we have substantial agreement.<br><br><br>Ian Peter<br><br>.<br><br><br>-----Original Message----- <br>From: Suresh Ramasubramanian<br>Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:33 PM<br>To: governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>Subject: [governance] "technical community fails at multistakeholderism". <br>really?<br><br>http://igfwatch.org/discussion-board/how-the-technical-community-fails-at-multi-stakeholderism<br><br>http://www.digitalnewsasia.com/insights/web-consortiums-failures-show-limits-of-self-regulation<br><br>forming a consensus that the usual splinter rump minority doesnt agree with <br>emphatically does not constitute any sort of failure of multistakeholderism<br><br>--srs<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>____________________________________________________________<br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list:<br> governance@lists.igcaucus.org<br>To be removed from the list, visit:<br> http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing<br><br>For all other list information and functions, see:<br> http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance<br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:<br> http://www.igcaucus.org/<br><br>Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t <br><br><br></body>