<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Economics 101 for the difference between the two, McTim :)</div><div><br></div><div>Gurstein has a point, the free email market IS monopolistic in nature, but then again so are other commodity markets where effort is made to differentiate a product to justify its pricing in whatever form (ad supported ... paid for email, all the way to hamburgers, say)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopolistic_competition</a><br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 29-Sep-2013, at 5:37, "michael gurstein" <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hmmm... FWIW, it is, shall we say somewhat questionable to ascribe the use of words to me that don't actually appear in what I wrote... (you might want to check out the difference for example between "monopoly" and "monopolistic behaviour" </span><br><span></span><br><span>M</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br><span>From: McTim [<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com</a>] </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 4:42 PM</span><br><span>To: michael gurstein</span><br><span>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; parminder</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [IP] Google's Gmail Keyword Scanning Might Violate Wiretap Law, Judge Finds</span><br><span></span><br><span>Gmail saw 287.9 million unique worldwide visitors Microsoft's Hotmail, which finished with 286.2 million unique visitors.</span><br><span>Yahoo, the once mighty e-mail power, with 281.7 million</span><br><span></span><br><span>This isn't even "dominance" (per the article), let alone "monopoly".</span><br><span></span><br><span>On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 7:16 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Google (now) #1 free email service.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57543177-93/gmail-edges-hotmail-as-wo">http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57543177-93/gmail-edges-hotmail-as-wo</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>rlds-top-e-mail-service/</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>M</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>-----Original Message-----</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>From: McTim [<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com">mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com</a>]</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 3:53 PM</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>To: michael gurstein</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cc: <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; parminder</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Subject: Re: [governance] Fwd: [IP] Google's Gmail Keyword Scanning </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Might Violate Wiretap Law, Judge Finds</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 6:35 PM, michael gurstein <<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com">gurstein@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I think a lot of people are rather more anxious now than previously </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>with the "deal" that they signed up for with Gmail but the problem is </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to find workable alternatives... Given their resources and </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>monopolistic behanviour (predatory pricing?) Gmail seem to have </span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>pushed most of the possible althernative services out of the market (at least for the moment...</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>nonsense. I Googled "free email", and got 10 alternatives on the first page alone...with Gmail coming in at #8 on the list.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Googling for "leading free email service" gives this result:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://email.about.com/od/freeemailreviews/tp/free_email.htm">http://email.about.com/od/freeemailreviews/tp/free_email.htm</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>in which Gmail is listed as #1, this means that people like the service, not that there are no other options.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Monopoly is defined on Wikipedia as:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"A monopoly (from Greek monos μόνος (alone or single) + polein πωλεῖν (to sell)) exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity"</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly</a></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This is not the case with any service from Google that I can think of.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>--</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Cheers,</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>McTim</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A </span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>--</span><br><span>Cheers,</span><br><span></span><br><span>McTim</span><br><span>"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." 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