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<div class="moz-forward-container">Norbert<br>
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For some reason my emails are not reaching IGC. Can you pl forward
this... parminder <br>
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<td>Re: DMP} Re: [Final draft for final comments] Letter to
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resent since it seem not to have bene delivered the first time<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 08:25
PM, parminder wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 07:38
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<div dir="ltr">Ok. so here is what we will do.
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<div>1) Item 4 will be changed to: </div>
<div><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"R</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">einforce
our support </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">for
an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance
of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> experiences
from the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> Brazilian
multistakeholder model </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Internet
governance</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">,</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">led</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> by
CGI.br",</span><br>
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How can one sign it without knowing what broader spheres should
CGI.Br model be extended to? The criticism of Marco Civil
process here tells me that the intention is that what marco
civil process did - culminating in the parliament - should
instead be done by CGI'Br..... That s killing democracy. If
that is the intention, it should be made clear, and not be a
kind of back door thing. If not so, pl tell us what other
spheres are mean there. <br>
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You must tell us which broader spheres do you want to extend it
to.... Before one signs one needs to know<br>
<br>
By this 'broader sphere' phrase you obviously do not mean global
levels, which I agreed already that it can be extended to....
If you indeed mean 'global levels' then too pl make it clear.<br>
<br>
Anja also just asked for reference to multistakeholderism in
terms of global IG.... which is fine..... But why does the text
go to a very old formulation which is something about extending
CGI.Br model to other IG areas in Brazil, which is not
discussed, neither one is very clear about... <br>
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parminder <br>
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<div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">2)
Jeremy and I will send an email noting it to all the
people who already endorsed, noting this change and
giving them the posibility to withdraw their support
(which I think will be unlikely). Well, thats not the
ideal process to do that. But, we will be happy to have
ICG, APC, etc supporting the statement and more
important, we got your points on the dangerous of the
current version. </font></div>
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<div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">OK????</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM,
Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
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+1 to Anja's point.<br>
<br>
with this change I will recommend that it be signed by
IGC and groups I am a member of, and will sign it
myself on the bestbits site<br>
<br>
>From Carolina<br>
> Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email<br>
<br>
But since<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> not that it will change at this point, but it
would be good to be sure we have your language<br>
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Not sure why we are still trying.<br>
<br>
Without a statement supporting a well formed
multistakeholder model, I do not want to contribute to a
statement that seems to me to approve the way
Governments currently work.<br>
<br>
re:<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> "Reinforce our support for an extension into
broader spheres of Internet Governance of the
experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model
of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
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Prefer the previous 4.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
avri<br>
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On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
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> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but
if it is the one in which point 4 starts as follows:<br>
><br>
> "Reinforce our support for an extension into
broader spheres of Internet Governance of the
experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder
model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
><br>
> My answer is yes, we would support that.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Anja<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> Yes, i would, I did, accept that, as it
balances support to the Marco Civil with support for
the multistakeholder governance.<br>
><br>
> When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on
approving the process of the past as opposed to
suggesting a way to improve in the future.<br>
><br>
> That works for me.<br>
><br>
> avri<br>
><br>
> On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br>
><br>
> > [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
> ><br>
> > Suppose the drafters of the letter were
willing to backtrack to this<br>
> > version, would the IGC then be able to
endorse the letter?<br>
> ><br>
> > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly
that your objections would<br>
> > be moot in this case?<br>
> ><br>
> > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to
this version of point 4, or would<br>
> > the shortened version just have been
strongly preferable from your<br>
> > perspective?<br>
> ><br>
> > Greetings,<br>
> > Norbert<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >><br>
><br>
><br>
> >> Letter from International Civil
Society Organizations to President<br>
> >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her
statement at the 68th Session of the<br>
> >> UNGA<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Your Excellency,<br>
> >><br>
> >> We, the undersigned organizations and
individuals from around the<br>
> >> world, committed to the development of
the Internet and its use for<br>
> >> advancing social and economic justice,
would like to express our<br>
> >> strong support for the statement
delivered this week by your<br>
> >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
United Nations General<br>
> >> Assembly. We commend you for taking a
leading role on these issues<br>
> >> and would like to:<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles
enunciated on the occasion, in<br>
> >> clear accordance with the Brazilian
Internet Steering Committee's<br>
> >> Principles for the Governance and Use
of the Internet.<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely
adoption of the Brazilian<br>
> >> Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco
Civil da Internet) in a way that<br>
> >> upholds these principles.<br>
><br>
><br>
> >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in<br>
> >> expressing disapproval and demanding
explanations from the USA about<br>
> >> the procedures of illegal interception
of information and data,<br>
> >> framing it as a grave violation of
human rights and of civil liberties<br>
> >><br>
> >> 4. Reinforce our support for an
extension into broader spheres of<br>
> >> Internet Governance of the experiences
from the Brazilian<br>
> >> multistakeholder model of Internet
governance, led by CGI.br, which<br>
> >> comprises representatives from
Government, Scientific and Technology<br>
> >> Community, private sector and Civil
Society on an equal footing.<br>
> >><br>
> >> We express our deep appreciation for
your serious commitment to<br>
> >> social justice and development, of
which an open, stable, and<br>
> >> reliable Internet is a fundamental
pillar.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Signatories:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego
Rafael Canabarro<br>
> >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>
> wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in<br>
> >> drafting this reduced optimal version.
: ) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at<br>
> >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph
and we are all set. --srs (htc<br>
> >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM
"Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:<br>
> >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that
matters. Louis - - - On Thu,<br>
> >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ive just looked again at this and it
is getting longer and at the<br>
> >> same time worse. I think it needs a
very substantial edit. Any more<br>
> >> than two paragraphs and the chance of
it being read is meagre. To<br>
> >> be honest, I think no more than this
is necessary. – the first<br>
> >> paragraph We, the undersigned
organizations and individuals from<br>
> >> around the world, committed to the
development of the Internet and<br>
> >> its use for advancing social justice,
would like to express our<br>
> >> strong support for the statement
delivered this week by your<br>
> >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
United Nations General<br>
> >> Assembly. (reference the speech if
you wish for those who would<br>
> >> like to read more, but dont repeat it,
interpret it, and elaborate on<br>
> >> it). And specifically I dont think
we need to talk post Snowden,<br>
> >> and demand apologies from the USA.
That ain’t going to happen. Ian<br>
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