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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 07:38 PM,
      Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Ok. so here is what we will do. 
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        <div>1) Item 4 will be changed to: </div>
        <div><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"R</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">einforce
            our support </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">for
            an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> experiences
            from the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> Brazilian
            multistakeholder model </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Internet
            governance</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">,</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">led</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> by
            CGI.br",</span><br>
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    How can one sign it without knowing what broader spheres should
    CGI.Br model be extended to? The criticism of Marco Civil process
    here  tells me that the intention is that what marco civil process
    did - culminating in the parliament - should instead be done by
    CGI'Br..... That s killing democracy.  If that is the intention, it
    should be made clear, and not be a kind of back door thing. If not
    so, pl tell us what other spheres are mean there. <br>
    <br>
    You must tell us which broader spheres do you want to extend it
    to.... Before one signs one needs to know<br>
    <br>
    By this 'broader sphere' phrase you obviously do not mean global
    levels, which I agreed already that it can be extended to....  If
    you indeed mean 'global levels' then too pl make it clear.<br>
    <br>
    Anja also just asked for reference to multistakeholderism in terms
    of global IG.... which is fine..... But why does the text go to a
    very old formulation which is something about extending CGI.Br model
    to other IG areas in Brazil, which is not discussed, neither one is
    very clear about... <br>
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    <br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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        <div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">2) Jeremy
            and I will send an email noting it to all the people who
            already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the
            posibility to withdraw their support (which I think will be
            unlikely). Well, thats not the ideal process to do that.
            But, we will be happy to have ICG, APC, etc  supporting the
            statement and more important, we got your points on the
            dangerous of the current version. </font></div>
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        <div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">OK????</font></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri
          Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            +1 to Anja's point.<br>
            <br>
            with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC
            and groups I am a member of,  and will sign it myself on the
            bestbits site<br>
            <br>
            >From Carolina<br>
            > Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email<br>
            <br>
            But since<br>
            <div class="im"><br>
              > not that it will change at this point, but it would
              be good to be sure we have your language<br>
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            Not sure why we are still trying.<br>
            <br>
            Without a statement supporting a well formed
            multistakeholder model, I do not want to contribute to a
            statement that seems to me to approve the way Governments
            currently work.<br>
            <br>
            re:<br>
            <div class="im"><br>
              > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader
              spheres of Internet Governance of the experiences from the
              Brazilian multistakeholder model of Internet governance,
              led by CGI.br",<br>
              <br>
              <br>
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            Prefer the previous 4.<br>
            <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                avri<br>
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                On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
                <br>
                > Hi,<br>
                ><br>
                > Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if it
                is the one in which point 4 starts as follows:<br>
                ><br>
                > "Reinforce our support for an extension into
                broader spheres of Internet Governance of the
                experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model of
                Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
                ><br>
                > My answer is yes, we would support that.<br>
                ><br>
                > Thanks,<br>
                > Anja<br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                > On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>
                wrote:<br>
                > Hi<br>
                ><br>
                > Yes, i would, I did,  accept that, as it balances
                support to the Marco Civil with support for the
                multistakeholder governance.<br>
                ><br>
                > When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on approving
                the process of the past as opposed to suggesting a way
                to improve in the future.<br>
                ><br>
                > That works for me.<br>
                ><br>
                > avri<br>
                ><br>
                > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br>
                ><br>
                > > [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
                > ><br>
                > > Suppose the drafters of the letter were
                willing to backtrack to this<br>
                > > version, would the IGC then be able to endorse
                the letter?<br>
                > ><br>
                > > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly that
                your objections would<br>
                > > be moot in this case?<br>
                > ><br>
                > > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this
                version of point 4, or would<br>
                > > the shortened version just have been strongly
                preferable from your<br>
                > > perspective?<br>
                > ><br>
                > > Greetings,<br>
                > > Norbert<br>
                > ><br>
                > ><br>
                > >><br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                > >> Letter from International Civil Society
                Organizations to President<br>
                > >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement
                at the 68th Session of the<br>
                > >> UNGA<br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >> Your Excellency,<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> We, the undersigned organizations and
                individuals from around the<br>
                > >> world, committed to the development of the
                Internet and its use for<br>
                > >> advancing social and economic justice,
                would like to express our<br>
                > >> strong support for the statement delivered
                this week by your<br>
                > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
                United Nations General<br>
                > >> Assembly. We commend you for taking a
                leading role on these issues<br>
                > >> and would like to:<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles
                enunciated on the occasion, in<br>
                > >> clear accordance with the Brazilian
                Internet Steering Committee's<br>
                > >> Principles for the Governance and Use of
                the Internet.<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely
                adoption of the Brazilian<br>
                > >> Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil
                da Internet) in a way that<br>
                > >> upholds these principles.<br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                > >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in<br>
                > >> expressing disapproval and demanding
                explanations from the USA about<br>
                > >> the procedures of illegal interception of
                 information and data,<br>
                > >> framing it as a grave violation of human
                rights and of civil liberties<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension
                into broader spheres of<br>
                > >> Internet Governance of the experiences
                from the Brazilian<br>
                > >> multistakeholder model of Internet
                governance, led by CGI.br, which<br>
                > >> comprises representatives from Government,
                Scientific and Technology<br>
                > >> Community, private sector and Civil
                Society on an equal footing.<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> We express our deep appreciation for your
                serious commitment to<br>
                > >> social justice and development, of which
                an open, stable, and<br>
                > >> reliable Internet is a fundamental pillar.<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> Signatories:<br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >><br>
                > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego
                Rafael Canabarro<br>
                > >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>
                > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in<br>
                > >> drafting this reduced optimal version. : )
                On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at<br>
                > >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>
                wrote:<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and we
                are all set. --srs (htc<br>
                > >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM
                "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:<br>
                > >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that
                matters. Louis - - - On Thu,<br>
                > >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter <<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>
                > wrote:<br>
                > >><br>
                > >> Ive just looked again at this and it is
                getting longer and at the<br>
                > >> same time worse.   I think it needs a very
                substantial edit. Any more<br>
                > >> than two paragraphs and the chance of it
                being read is meagre.   To<br>
                > >> be honest, I think no more than this is
                necessary. – the first<br>
                > >> paragraph   We, the undersigned
                organizations and individuals from<br>
                > >> around the world, committed to the
                development of the Internet and<br>
                > >> its use for advancing social justice,
                would like to express our<br>
                > >> strong support for the statement delivered
                this week by your<br>
                > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
                United Nations General<br>
                > >> Assembly.   (reference the speech if you
                wish for those who would<br>
                > >> like to read more, but dont repeat it,
                interpret it, and elaborate on<br>
                > >> it).   And specifically I dont think we
                need to talk post Snowden,<br>
                > >> and demand apologies from the USA. That
                ain’t going to happen.   Ian<br>
                > >> Peter
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