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    resent since it seem not to have bene delivered the first time<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 08:25 PM,
      parminder wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 26 September 2013 07:38
        PM, Joana Varon wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">Ok. so here is what we will do. 
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          <div>1) Item 4 will be changed to: </div>
          <div><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">"R</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">einforce

              our support </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">for

              an extension into broader spheres of Internet Governance
              of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> experiences

              from the</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> Brazilian

              multistakeholder model </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">of </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">Internet

              governance</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">,</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> </span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px">led</span><span
style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px"> by

              CGI.br",</span><br>
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      <br>
      How can one sign it without knowing what broader spheres should
      CGI.Br model be extended to? The criticism of Marco Civil process
      here  tells me that the intention is that what marco civil process
      did - culminating in the parliament - should instead be done by
      CGI'Br..... That s killing democracy.  If that is the intention,
      it should be made clear, and not be a kind of back door thing. If
      not so, pl tell us what other spheres are mean there. <br>
      <br>
      You must tell us which broader spheres do you want to extend it
      to.... Before one signs one needs to know<br>
      <br>
      By this 'broader sphere' phrase you obviously do not mean global
      levels, which I agreed already that it can be extended to....  If
      you indeed mean 'global levels' then too pl make it clear.<br>
      <br>
      Anja also just asked for reference to multistakeholderism in terms
      of global IG.... which is fine..... But why does the text go to a
      very old formulation which is something about extending CGI.Br
      model to other IG areas in Brazil, which is not discussed, neither
      one is very clear about... <br>
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      <br>
      parminder <br>
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cite="mid:CALTAiTr=DO-PzbYOdEorLgr4hCMQFoLNp7Gp=FHWt_Xkm2S1qA@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">2) Jeremy
              and I will send an email noting it to all the people who
              already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the
              posibility to withdraw their support (which I think will
              be unlikely). Well, thats not the ideal process to do
              that. But, we will be happy to have ICG, APC, etc
               supporting the statement and more important, we got your
              points on the dangerous of the current version. </font></div>
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          <div><font color="#500050" face="arial, sans-serif">OK????</font></div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri
            Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span>
            wrote:<br>
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              +1 to Anja's point.<br>
              <br>
              with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC
              and groups I am a member of,  and will sign it myself on
              the bestbits site<br>
              <br>
              >From Carolina<br>
              > Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email<br>
              <br>
              But since<br>
              <div class="im"><br>
                > not that it will change at this point, but it would
                be good to be sure we have your language<br>
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              Not sure why we are still trying.<br>
              <br>
              Without a statement supporting a well formed
              multistakeholder model, I do not want to contribute to a
              statement that seems to me to approve the way Governments
              currently work.<br>
              <br>
              re:<br>
              <div class="im"><br>
                > "Reinforce our support for an extension into
                broader spheres of Internet Governance of the
                experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model of
                Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
                <br>
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              Prefer the previous 4.<br>
              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
                  avri<br>
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                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <br>
                  On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:<br>
                  <br>
                  > Hi,<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if
                  it is the one in which point 4 starts as follows:<br>
                  ><br>
                  > "Reinforce our support for an extension into
                  broader spheres of Internet Governance of the
                  experiences from the Brazilian multistakeholder model
                  of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",<br>
                  ><br>
                  > My answer is yes, we would support that.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Thanks,<br>
                  > Anja<br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  > On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@acm.org">avri@acm.org</a>>

                  wrote:<br>
                  > Hi<br>
                  ><br>
                  > Yes, i would, I did,  accept that, as it balances
                  support to the Marco Civil with support for the
                  multistakeholder governance.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on
                  approving the process of the past as opposed to
                  suggesting a way to improve in the future.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > That works for me.<br>
                  ><br>
                  > avri<br>
                  ><br>
                  > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:<br>
                  ><br>
                  > > [with IGC coordinator hat on]<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Suppose the drafters of the letter were
                  willing to backtrack to this<br>
                  > > version, would the IGC then be able to
                  endorse the letter?<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly
                  that your objections would<br>
                  > > be moot in this case?<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this
                  version of point 4, or would<br>
                  > > the shortened version just have been
                  strongly preferable from your<br>
                  > > perspective?<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > > Greetings,<br>
                  > > Norbert<br>
                  > ><br>
                  > ><br>
                  > >><br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  > >> Letter from International Civil Society
                  Organizations to President<br>
                  > >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her
                  statement at the 68th Session of the<br>
                  > >> UNGA<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Your Excellency,<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> We, the undersigned organizations and
                  individuals from around the<br>
                  > >> world, committed to the development of
                  the Internet and its use for<br>
                  > >> advancing social and economic justice,
                  would like to express our<br>
                  > >> strong support for the statement
                  delivered this week by your<br>
                  > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
                  United Nations General<br>
                  > >> Assembly. We commend you for taking a
                  leading role on these issues<br>
                  > >> and would like to:<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles
                  enunciated on the occasion, in<br>
                  > >> clear accordance with the Brazilian
                  Internet Steering Committee's<br>
                  > >> Principles for the Governance and Use of
                  the Internet.<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely
                  adoption of the Brazilian<br>
                  > >> Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco
                  Civil da Internet) in a way that<br>
                  > >> upholds these principles.<br>
                  ><br>
                  ><br>
                  > >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in<br>
                  > >> expressing disapproval and demanding
                  explanations from the USA about<br>
                  > >> the procedures of illegal interception
                  of  information and data,<br>
                  > >> framing it as a grave violation of human
                  rights and of civil liberties<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> 4. Reinforce our support for an
                  extension into broader spheres of<br>
                  > >> Internet Governance of the experiences
                  from the Brazilian<br>
                  > >> multistakeholder model of Internet
                  governance, led by CGI.br, which<br>
                  > >> comprises representatives from
                  Government, Scientific and Technology<br>
                  > >> Community, private sector and Civil
                  Society on an equal footing.<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> We express our deep appreciation for
                  your serious commitment to<br>
                  > >> social justice and development, of which
                  an open, stable, and<br>
                  > >> reliable Internet is a fundamental
                  pillar.<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Signatories:<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego
                  Rafael Canabarro<br>
                  > >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>
                  > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in<br>
                  > >> drafting this reduced optimal version. :
                  ) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at<br>
                  > >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>>

                  wrote:<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and
                  we are all set. --srs (htc<br>
                  > >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM
                  "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:<br>
                  > >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that
                  matters. Louis - - - On Thu,<br>
                  > >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter <<a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="mailto:ian.peter@ianpeter.com">ian.peter@ianpeter.com</a>
                  > wrote:<br>
                  > >><br>
                  > >> Ive just looked again at this and it is
                  getting longer and at the<br>
                  > >> same time worse.   I think it needs a
                  very substantial edit. Any more<br>
                  > >> than two paragraphs and the chance of it
                  being read is meagre.   To<br>
                  > >> be honest, I think no more than this is
                  necessary. – the first<br>
                  > >> paragraph   We, the undersigned
                  organizations and individuals from<br>
                  > >> around the world, committed to the
                  development of the Internet and<br>
                  > >> its use for advancing social justice,
                  would like to express our<br>
                  > >> strong support for the statement
                  delivered this week by your<br>
                  > >> Excellency at the 68th Session of the
                  United Nations General<br>
                  > >> Assembly.   (reference the speech if you
                  wish for those who would<br>
                  > >> like to read more, but dont repeat it,
                  interpret it, and elaborate on<br>
                  > >> it).   And specifically I dont think we
                  need to talk post Snowden,<br>
                  > >> and demand apologies from the USA. That
                  ain’t going to happen.   Ian<br>
                  > >> Peter
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