<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thank you all for those clarifications. :)<br><br><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">--</div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Enviado a partir de dispositivo movel</span><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; ">Sent from mobile device</div></div><div><br>Em 25/09/2013, às 06:56, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> escreveu:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>This is one of those rare occasions where I agree with Parminder.</span><br><span></span><br><span>In any case, whether this is due to a translation gap or a mildly imperfect</span><br><span>use of terminology, or something more nuanced and suggesting a "governments</span><br><span>only, with civ soc / business in a consultative capacity if at all" formula</span><br><span>is something that remains to be seen from the policies that Brazil</span><br><span>implements in this space.</span><br><span></span><br><span>--srs</span><br><span></span><br><span>parminder [25/09/13 14:39 +0530]:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>Diego</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>In my understanding, the term 'stimuli' refers only to the 'collective creativity' part and, accordingly, in the part on participation of different sectors, Dilma makes more or less the exact same points as represented in the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee principles.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I dont think that when she seeks that the governance of the Internet be such as to stimulate collective creativity, she will deny the fact that the Internet is indeed a collective creation....</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>In any case, it will be a pity to judge such an important statement merely through the lens of how many times she uttered the mantra of multistakehoderism or not.... Her speech is full of very genuine concern for people's rights.... that is where the real meat and merit lies. parminder</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Wednesday 25 September 2013 06:28 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the Steering Committee principle reads as "Internet governance must be exercised in a transparent, multilateral and democratic manner, with the participation of the various sectors of society, thereby preserving and encouraging its character as a collective creation."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Her wording for the UNGA says: "Open, multilateral and democratic governance, carried out with transparency by stimulating collective creativity and the participation of society, Governments and the private sector."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>My reading of that is that: (1) it does not repeat the idea that Internet governance as a collective creation and (2) the first one defines Internet governance as something "with the participation of the various sectors of society", and the second only mentions it should be carried out with stimuli for "the participation of society, governments and the private sector."</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Can you see my point?</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Em português o trem funciona do mesmo jeito.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Carolina Rossini <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com">mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Via Renata Avila, segue discurso da Dilma na UN.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span> Coming from Renata Avila, see attached Dilma draft speech at UN.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote 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